Thread 44 Sunak: Hung parliament and Rishful thinking.

[DuncinToffee]

prevoius thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5066068-thread-43-sunak-seriously-scapegoating?page=40&reply=135107360

Would you rather they made undeliverable promises and just said what you wanted to hear ?

Because that's what the Tories are quite happily doing. Writing reams of blank cheques.

Starmer said Thatcher created 'meaningful change' - underlining that politics can change a country, not praising her politics.

All very well saying Labour are held to a low bar whilst the Conservatives aren't held to any kind of bar.

"Least worst option." Yeah.
Not a ringing endorsement, is it?

No it isn't. But more of the same will be deadly for some people.

We have to GTTO and build from there.

If Starmer stood on a properly radical left wing manifesto, Labour wouldn't get in. The voters of England just don't like that flavour and until we have PR, they decide the UK government.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/office-for-national-statistics-rishi-sunak-fears-one-b2542948.html

For my part, I understand I’ll never agree with everything our dear leaders do or think. But I definitely do not want the tories in. I will actually have to vote snp and am feeling quite annoyed about it!

on the renting to family, it is perfectly acceptable and there are/were procedures in place for it. You just have to prove there is a proper tenancy agreement in place and state you would treat them the same as any other tenant. We rented to family, they qualified for benefits at one point, they got the help they needed, we got the income. Nothing wrong with it.

Well there's a reason the Conservatives excluded student ID/rail cards as acceptable voter ID.

I don't expect any party to exactly reflect back my views. They can only win from the centre ground, socially liberal, fiscally small c conservative (something Braverman etc refuse to accept).

Until/unless we get mainstream media that properly challenge all politicians equally I don't see that changing.

I'm not going to mention it again (dissent obviously not allowed!)

@user8800 Dissent isn't a problem. We didn't all feel the same about KS welcoming NE but we heard each other out and put it to rest.

Constantly bringing up one issue that people disagree on us a whole different thing. We don't all see your issue the same way as each other so as @IClaudine said we leave that subject. What's the point of rehashing something people don't agree on when there's so much we do agree on?

I know a fair few 15-21 year olds. All bright, all politically aware, (some study politics). Not one of them feels labour represents them. They don't feel hopeful or excited about a labour government.

I have a very different experience from you on this. My children are in this age bracket, one studies politics, the other will soon. They and most their friends are very excited about a labour government and even those who aren't are still planning to vote Labour. In their conversations I hear a lot of hope for change.

Of course the older kid and mates are mostly also excited they will definitely get to vote now that it's happening later in the year!

That's FTTP in a nutshell

My children are in that age bracket, not really interested in politics but they can see and experience the damage the Tories have caused and will vote to GTTO.

I also know a fair few young adults, more 18 - 23, but they are definitely fired up about Labour. They're smart enough to know that FPPT distorts politics in the UK and mature enough to know that they'll have to make do for now.

Expecting perfection from politicians is a hiding to nowhere.

I think the pages of discussion on NE show that dissent is very much allowed on this thread. It just so happens that on the trans issue, the group of people on these threads tend towards the pragmatic.

I have shared this article on another thread, thought it might be of interest here too

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/avoiding-vat-is-a-risky-strategy-for-private-schools-better-advice-is-available/

I’ve always known that no political party is going to 100% reflect my views. It didn’t take long for euphoria to turn to shouting at the radio when the Blair government cut single parent benefits in 1997. It was still the best government of my lifetime.

I don’t expect miracles from another Labour government, I’m not particularly excited about it because I think the last 14 years have wearied and ground me down to the point where I can’t really get excited about anything political. I do expect a huge sense of relief. A bit like having a boil lanced.

Totally agree @BIossomtoes

Also agree @BIossomtoes

Same, @blossomtoes. I want a government that will patiently, competently, calmly repair the damage done by 14 years of the Tories. I'm fine with plodding, boring, pedestrian.

Yup. Sign me up for some dull but functional policies and HoC debates* please.

*admittedly this will largely depend on what characters are left on the opposition benches.

Indeed. I can't understand why people criticise KS for being dull. Dull is fine if dull is also competent. Politicians who want to serve Country not themselves.

Also - Sunak isn't exactly exciting either.

So why doesn't he get criticism for being "dull".

Major wasn't exciting
Nor Gordon Brown.

It's not a ringing endorsement. It doesn't have to be. It isn't more of the same which is the alternative. So thanks but no thanks. The current collection of grasping charlatans has to go and be exchanged for something, hopefully, better. I doubt it could be worse.

Aside from the Westminster squabbles, quick derail, please excuse, did any of you see the Aurora last night? My stunned grandsons took some good photos but I can't get them off WhatsApp to upload. Hampshire.So far south. Never expected to see that here, although too old and tired to stay up and look at sky myself.

I missed the aurora as I was asleep

Our neighbourhood whatsapp was full of great pictures.

was way past my bedtime

Just 200?

Conservatives mark 200 constituencies as vulnerable in next general election | Conservatives | The Guardian

I did look outside at around midnight but didn't see anything - but my neighbours have some great photos so clearly I was either looking the wrong way or I need a new prescription 🤓

Too much light pollution here to see the Aurora.