Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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Excellent but quite long thread 🧵 from Ruth Fox at the Hansard Society

🧵1/ Unpacking the realpolitik behind parliamentary ping-pong on the Rwanda Bill: as MPs and Peers clash over legislative amendments, how credible are their claims about the political maneuvering of the other side? #RwandaBill #Politics #Realpolitik

x.com/ruthfox01/status/1782476330766041268?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

The more the merrier.

Irritable and leftie is optional as are pictures of cats

@AdamRyan I'm sorry but I had to bail out of your thread. GC feminists calling me a liar on there - absolutely appalling people. I don't need that in my life. Thank you for trying.

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We need more irritable lefties. Welcome to the tribe!

Welcome MissMarplesniece.

Government have offered a concession on Lord Browne’s amendment re Afghans who worked for the government. They have offered to reassess those who worked with us in Afghanistan but had their claims turned down. He’s considering whether to drop amendment or not.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-uk-politics-sunak-starmer-general-election-vote-labour-tories-sky-news-politics-hub-12593360?postid=7571578#liveblog-body

My name is bombastix and my dirty leftie secret is I believe in state planning. Welcome @MissMarplesNiece

Its utterley bizarre how tone deaf they are.
Hope you are ok.

Lib Dem Lords

The first votes have commenced for the Safety of Rwanda Bill.

Liberal Democrat Peers will continue to oppose this immoral and unworkable piece of legislation, at every opportunity, until the very end.

If the Government expects us to back down, we will simply not do so.

Damn PM got the fever, reckons he's in power.

Never fear the Commons as they have their price.

Fear the Lords, they don't call it the Valley of Death for nothing.

Safety of Rwanda Bill is going back to the Commons 240 to 211

Lord Carlile is on the money. There is no contract

No worries. I'm OK with being a lone voice at this point. Won't say more though.

That was the amendment on safety. Looks like they ARE going to table an amendment on Afghan helpers too.

Good. I wouldn’t take any promise from this government at face value.

189 Tory Peers voted, 1 vote for the amendment.

Guess the others didn't fancy a late night?

I wonder if it all this ping pong ends with the DM declaring a group of retired judges the enemies of the people tomorrow morning.

Hi, welcome this is the best thread on the Internet in my opinion

Maybe in a way it is best to get the bloody bill passed. Then when the scheme falls to bits, Sunak will have only himself to blame.

Ooh they are bastards the Lords. Get in with the amendment to make James Cleverly opine on the legality of his own Bill in Parliament or disagree with an independent body that inevitably won't agree Rwanda is safe because nobody actually does.

Judicial gold.

"Irritable leftie"?...

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Consider yourself signed up! Today seems to be a good day for recruiting.

Today is the first day of Passover, so some of their Lordships are absent. Requests to reschedule the debates were turned down.

It's not as if the Tories could claim ignorance of this, the only other main party leader of a non-Christian faith was Michael Howard.

Funny - it wasn't an emergency when they delayed it before Easter.

Waves 👋 to all the other irritable lefties!

the Government should have is a plan of concessions based on each set of votes it thinks it will get. So there is a bottom line, which narrows with each vote.

If the vote does not narrow then the Government must either accept the amendments or withdraw the Bill because they have no ability to force it through without the Parliament Act.

So Sunak could be really beaten if those numbers do not change. He will have to give way. Usually a government will avoid anything but that because it means they have lost all power in Parliament.

This makes Sunak's statement today very odd. If he really believes it, of course.

https://twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1782501113733783869

They aren’t going to vote on the Afghan amendment Browne has dropped it. Unsurprisingly it turns out the ‘review’ they promised is already underway and is only going to apply to a very small number of people.