Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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It's not just the cars really. The attitude about Khan and ULEZ was telling; but I am the kind of leftie that likes a 20 mph zone and that is actually regarded as communism around here. Many people think this is a good area to be but I don't like the attitudes much. Schools etc are all v good. On paper it's nice, socially however a different story.

Yes, when I heard the announcement on the news I was wondering how he managed to look his colleagues in the eye all the way through the pandemic.

I am in Wales. The 20mph zones are fine, if a little haphazard. The hatred for them from some people is off the scale. It is quite unsettling.

What's interesting is none of my family in Wales care. The one person who moaned about it was a neighbour of MIL at a funeral but it was mild moaning : no anger. Everyone else seems broadly approving.

The person who has sounded off about it in my circle most noisily is my US based Trump supporting BIL!

I'm not convinced that ULEZ is going to be the vote winner that Susan Hall thinks. What was most unpopular about it was the fact that some people had to scrap their cars, but that hit is more or less over and done with and, even for those people, reversing ULEZ won't help them. A hefty proportion of the population doesn't drive anyway, and the majority of the rest already have ULEZ exempt cars - and quite like cleaner air.

I've also noticed that there seems to be greater compliance with the 20 limits. For some time I found myself with impatient queues behind me if I kept to that limit, but now more and more people are just driving at 20 habitually and the queues aren't happening nearly so much.

Susan Hall isn't going to win. It's the trail of more extreme right wing stuff she is dragging around with her that I don't like.

Where I live the crime is very low. There should be little to complain about on paper. Honestly I have lived in far more dangerous places. But the perception that the area is crime riddled will not go away.

It's odd but I realised that I am actually really hopeful that when Labour get in all this weird anger will stop.
Me too. I really think a lot of it is being driven online by paid PR people and I hope that will go away.

Meanwhile.....Angela Rayner had the temerity to update her house.

Angela Rayner revamped the house at centre of tax furore, reports say | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

I would love for her to have a feature wall with a FUCK THE TORIES neon sign on it, the photograph to be in all national papers...She could have had a lot of fun with oblique references in each room.

I can't understand why the police are investigating tax matters- surely that's the job of HMRC?
I get it's largely political, and the right-friendly chief constable is being leaned on, but still, why?
If the police are asked to eg sort out a land boundary/alleged trespass, they'd simply go "That's civil, not our job mate"
What am I missing?

I think the Cons switched to suggesting there was electoral fraud when tax wasn't producing the right sort of headlines.

I thought there was a time limit on prosecution for electoral fraud so it seems like a waste of police time. I’d like to see Daly prosecuted for that.

Being a Londoner (well ex pat) it's very centred in identity in a way a national party will never get. For all his obvious flaws, Ken Livingstone is undoubtedly a proud Londoner, and as we saw that counted a fucktonne more than the colour of his rosette. My late DM voted for both Ken and Boris as she felt they were much more Londoners than anyone else on the ballot.

I believe the same situation surrounds Andy Burnham.

It doesn't matter whether the investigation leads anywhere - the point was to keep Rayner in the headlines leading up to May election.

As we've seen elsewhere she seems to provoke an emotional reaction from their core base

In fairness I should add that Jenrick provokes a similar reaction in me - although that is based around his decision to paint over murals intended for kids.

One great thing about the AR hype is the publicity is great for her - so many people have now watched her on YouTube etc who would otherwise never have bothered to find out who she was.
Also, it looks that they can't find a single thing to hold against her, which is so rare in politics I actually think she might be the next Labour leader after Starmer.

OH just came and told me that Chris Philp's line this morning is the polls "are where they are" but the damage to the NHS can't be held against Sunak because it was Camerons government.

Interesting line of defence.

Why is Chris Philip doing media today? Surely he should be in a room with a big atlas doing his revision.

The comment was "rhetorical " apparently.

Yeah, sure it was.

People blame the Tories, it wouldn't matter who they had as PM, though it doesn't help that Sunak keeps banging on about reduced waiting lists and more staff... because that is simply not what people are experiencing in RL.

He just comes across as utterly out of touch.

Is it an election winning strategy to allow your opponents name to eclipse yours ?

Especially when literally no one believes a word you say.

I believe that is known as "Doing a Kemi"

Interesting advance notice of the line they'll be taking in their election campaign - presumably they'll claim that everything problematic is Cameron's fault. The trouble is it doesn't really work when (a) they've had 8 years to remedy matters and (b) they brought him back into government.

It was Camerons’s government, but he’s been in charge for over a year now and it’s not getting better. And which fucking muppet was it that cancelled the raise in NI that was supposed to pay for social care which is causing the NHS huge issues?

Yep
https://www.politico.eu/article/kemi-badenoch-david-cameron-brexit-conservative-party-uk/

I don't think many people will buy it. Its a very odd tack