Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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It just keeps getting better. 😭

Hopefully the Tories nasty habit of blaming the civil service, calling them "the blob" and the machinery of the deep state is about to backfire on them

You can't make it up

Thanks for the explanations re Scottish politics, interesting week ahaead.

@SerendipityJane hope I wasn’t coming across as a smart Alec but it’s genuinely been my experience. I was just trying to explain why Fujitsu people might have been updating raw data.

Always with a proper audit trail and change request process wherever I’ve worked.

Phew

Is that the same civil service they're planning to cut 2.5% of GDP worth of savings from to fund the military?
Yeah, there'll be loads of goodwill there after that...

The same Civil Service that is facing funding cuts because of the budget last year as well.

Well I imagine that they will have to pay the relatively humble level of civil servant they need a lot more in allowances to get them to go. Otherwise nobody is going.

I found myself idly wondering this myself.

Whilst I imagine employment contracts for the civil service are quite broad, I doubt they can be stretched to "here's your tickets, you're off to Rwanda for a year matey".

(If the vaccination regime is what it was when I went to that neck of the woods, you needs good 2-3 months headstart. And the yellow fever jab really isn't a party).

Also - as the gentleman on QT rather helpfully pointed out. All any asylum seeker now has to do is claim to be from DRC (because there's no way to check they aren't) and the while scheme will again run into the brick wall that is the courts.

... also, if the conflict between Rwanda and Congo is even 1% of what it was 30 years ago, then they are being sent to a war zone. I wonder what the rules are around that.

It would be deeply ironic if the first use of the "Safety of Rwanda" law was to enable the UK government to nullify it's duty of care and peoples contracts to force them to work in a war zone.

The interesting thing I saw on QT was Philp's sneer when the audience member suggested family might come from Congo on the boats. I could just see him thinking ' don't be silly, you can't get a boat from Congo, man'.

There must be a factory churning out Thick Tories somewhere.

They couldn't force people, it would be volunteers only. When the war in Iraq ended they needed civil servants to go out there, it was strictly voluntary.

Sadly, I think there would be a small number who would volunteer for Rwanda. 😕

ETA: maybe Foreign Office staff could be sent, though?

I think there would be a small number who would volunteer for Rwanda.

Sadly I think you’re right, particularly if there was a house deposit size bonus attached.

Braverman was impressed with the interior design of the houses that were built and you can go on safari, so people supporting the Rwanda bill should be queuing up for the jobs.

I'd love for her to be first in line.

Liz Truss book enters bestseller list in 70th place with 2,228 copies sold 😂

Wow I'm surprised she sold that many!

I’m amazed how few copies you need to sell to get on the bestseller list.

Interesting - I'm Scottish Borders & I just had not 1 but 2 Tory door-knockers in the last 30mins (having lived here 15 years & had no one ever!). As I was not 'presentable' I simply said: 'good luck, you'll need it' to the 1st. The 2nd one, I decided to channel BJ's lack of care re appearance & actually had a 15 mins chat. He is under the impression it's still a straight race between Tory & SNP & 'Labour is irrelevant'. He told a story of Leadsom being in the area giving a dinner explaining why Labour were awful & said how disappointed he was she'd not tailored her speech more locally. I said I'd had concerns about SNP Named Person policy & current Hate Speech bill. He heartily agreed. But then I added: my concern with voting Conservative (I have enough to keep going all day but he looked about 18 & I felt slightly sorry for him) is not just the bunch of muppets currently in Westminster (he actually giggled...) but the fact that Lamont votes with them & also failed to answer either of my letters about SNP NP or HC policy. If my local MP doesn't appear to listen how can he command more respect locally than the distant Westminster?
I ended by telling him I would 'probably' vote Labour. And that it was a 'further' waste of resources to send 2 folk round the sane streets, 1 after another.

He is under the impression it's still a straight race between Tory & SNP & 'Labour is irrelevant'

Blimey, he doesn’t take much notice, does he? I reckon Scotland will turn into a sea of red when we eventually get to vote.

@BIossomtoes yes, I think both SNP & Tory are in for a (well deserved) plummet here.
I did say: 'oooh, 2 of you in 20 mins, is Rishi going to name the date soon?'
Of course, I got a standard reply but my feedback was 'tell him from me to get a wriggle on while he still can'. I enjoyed it.

Media that's brilliant!

I'm actually in awe of them still thinking Labour are irrelevant. They really do walk around with their eyes and ears shut

I had an interesting conversation this morning. All the cosying up Truss is doing with MAGA seems to be leading to the narrative that "the financial crash was happening anyway, she was just the patsy".

Essentially nothing to see here.