Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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Look the police have charged Peter Murrell after presumably having gathered enough evidence to meet that test with the prosecutor. He's not guilty until a jury says so, but there is not nothing there. It's a difficult test to meet

Imo the SNP are bringing themselves down. In 14 years they've performed poorly in many areas inc education, health, drug deaths, Covid, etc. But, they were extremely good at alignment with the indy cause & once Salmon was gone Sturgeon proved polished & an excellent speaker. Westminster has been corrupt & incompetent. So, the SNP were able to keep going & going & introduced increasingly contentious legislation (Named Person's act) plus totally outlawed dissent within their own Party. They’ve had no real opposition. Thete is no 2nd chamber in Scotland. The Greens came on board to help them form a majority Govt but that meant both an increasingly strong adherence to LGBTQ++ policies & very ambitious climate plans. Yusaf pulled the plug on rhe climate plans this week (plus talk of him seeing which way the wind was blowingre the Cass Report) & brought the Greens in to 'fire' them before they could ditch him so he would look 'strong'. Its backfired. The Greens are tabling a motion of no confidence in Yusaf. Labour are talking one in the SNP itself. (cont.. )

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Ash Regan, one of the contenders Yusaf beat last year in the unelected leadership sudden change after after Sturgeons surprise resignation - she & her husband questioned by Police & her husband just charged with misappropriation of Party Funds - was the sensible moderate candidate. She may well take the SNP crown. Its 2 long years till an election up here. Unless Labour's motion works & we get to vote on the SNP per se, not just the leader.

I'm fairly sure @prettybird is in favour of Scottish independence. And an SNP supporter.

I'm on tenterhooks for this vote. (I'm in Scotland). Apparently it could come down to Ash Reagan, who ran for the leadership of SNP in the Scottish parliament against Humza Yousaf. She defected to the Alba party and has said she has delivered a list of things she wants in return for her vote. It's all so democratic eh? A shining example of Nicola Sturgeon's grown up politics.

Tuesday Humza's all for the agreement with the Greens
Wednesday he's ended the agreement .
Wednesday afternoon the scorned greens are lashing out and the cons have tabled a V of NC in the FM.
Thursday the Labour Party is after a V of NC in the government!

Crossed posts

I'm by no means an SNP fan , although I do admire Sturgeon . I knew her as a teenager!

I do think there are cabals in Scotland, however, who would do anything to scupper independence for once and for all.

As a side note, my DSM has met Ash Regan and Kate Forbes. She used many un words to describe both of them, so I get them confused. But fairly sure AR was 'unpleasant and unprincipled'.

@Piggywaspushed of all last years candidates I much preferred Kate Forbes. I'm no SNP/NS fan either but the one time I met her she was super- nice to my kids (which instantly wins me over of course!). And there's no doubt she was very successful at her job for a very long time.

Hmm. the religious stuff massively puts me off her. I think my step mum did say she was nice but can't align with her views. I think 'superficially nice' was the phrase.

As a side note, my DSM has met Ash Regan and Kate Forbes. She used many un words to describe both of them, so I get them confused. But fairly sure AR was 'unpleasant and unprincipled'.

@medianewbie

Ooh! Interesting.

My only claim to a brush with SNP MSP's is to have been in the audience when NS gave a talk. I thought she was a fantastic speaker, very professional, very personable.

But she also gives the impression of being devious and overly controlling.

Copy fail.

@medianewbie You're the only person I've ever heard of who knew NS as a teenager. Spill the beans

No, that's me!

I did public speaking against her. She was formidable, as you'd imagine!

We used to quake if we knew her school was in our 'section'.

Ash must be enjoying all this 😊

Not me. I only met her in Pizza Express (in 2014). I was there with Ds (9) & Dd (7). Was about 3pm, just us & 1 random middle aged bloke at the back (her husband, it turned out). NS swept in & Mr & Mrs M ordered a pizza. They saw us rubbernecking & NS came over & asked if the kids would like a pic with her. I'm NOT a fan, but kids were excited (& SNP wasn't too bonkers at that stage) so said yes & she spent 10mins chatting with them & I took some pics. She was very charming.

I can imagine her as a very earnest teenage debate team member (much more happily than imagining BJ, DC & RS at their respective schools though)

The problem the SNP have is the problem any single issue/single note party has. And that's getting people to eat the frog.

It would be the same if any UK republican party was even remotely close to getting a share of the vote. People may well like the idea of a Republic. But not at the expense of a decent health system. Or education system. Or to be more contemporary they may like candidates who say they know what a woman is, bit not at the expense of everything else.

This is where coalitions should be supreme.

Yeah, it's all very Borgen!

Must admit , though (and I am very badly informed here) this is the kind of thing that puts me off PR and power sharing.

Most computer systems will have specialist database administrators whose role it is to go in and amend data at the database level. No computer application can cater for every event, be it a programming error or human error or a release that might have gone wrong etc. The access should be very tightly controlled so that there are only a few individuals who can make those changes and any data change should have a full audit trail of who requested it, why, who made the change, what the data looked like beforehand etc. I used to be one of those people until recently.

The Fujitsu engineers may well have been following the correct procedures but why and at whose request is anyone’s guess.

Did the Cass report feed into any of this? There are people on MN and Twitter claiming it did,

LBC has just mentioned the rumour that Sunak could call a general election in the next couple of days.

Could Sunak be pre-empting the inevitable calls for him to resign that will begin on May 3rd? Maybe his desire to not have to undergo a leadership election that he will lose is stronger than his desire to see the Rwanda plan through.

I know all this turmoil is is not good for us ordinary citizens but (oh, why don't the gifs attach below the text)

I am sure in many ways Sunak wants all this chaos north of the Border - but surely it plays into Scottish Labour's hands?

Most computer systems will have specialist database administrators whose role it is to go in and amend data at the database level.

Not in any grown up system that supports auditing. If you need to correct an account, you post a transaction that corrects the balance. Then when you go back to day one. you just sum up the ins and outs and get to the balance in a demonstrably compliant manner.

This was the heart of the problems with Horizon. It was shit. It allowed people and processes to change balances without the necessary double entries reconciling. So it looked like the postmasters were fiddling the system.

If you want to feel scared, I can happily tell you the general quality of coding has fallen like a stone these past 10 years. As with culture fads. IT can suffer tech fads that are just as damaging. Havning warded off the big data dragons, it's now the AI hordes. It never stops.

It's not particularly bright to pour petrol on your neighbours housefire.

The wind might change.

Hello all. Not posted for a while but am keeping up with the threads. I see the last thread got a little derail!
I am laughing a lot at the AR outrage. She is certainly rattling some.
The last week has mostly been just dreadful with the sick note culture narrative and now the Rwanda bill..... just call a bloody election ! Now!

Sorry @SerendipityJane, I tend to disagree. I’ve been the person writing the database update to reverse a transaction on a financial system because the system can’t cope with something that simply hasn’t been catered for. I’ve worked on many, many databases on many different platforms for many different clients - financial, insurance, government or otherwise and I’m hard pressed to think of one that hasn’t needed a DBA to update live data at some point regardless of their sophistication.

@BestIsWest as someone trained in audit that makes me shudder.

Last big financial system I worked on, the only way to change a balance was with a posted transaction. If a smart alec DBA tried to just update a field the whole system would have stopped until all the ledgers correlated.

There is now another reason for the Rwanda scheme to fail.

Apparently the Home Office needs people to "volunteer" for an overseas posting to Kigali to oversee the system.

https://inews.co.uk/news/home-office-civil-servants-apply-jobs-rwanda-plan-asylum-system-3027310