Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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I can't speak for Horizon. However in the BCC Oracle delivered exactly what was asked for - several times over the years as the spec changed. Why are they to blame ?

The UK hasn't learnt yet (admittedly it's only had about 60 fucking years) that specifying and managing technical projects - of which IT is a paradigm - requires listening not to the people who want it in pink. But the people telling you it needs to be built this way and tested incrementally.

The end of HHGTTG ("OK smart alec, what colour would you make it ?") must have been used as a civil service training video since 1980.

So already the search for blame is going in the wrong direction. There isn't enough irony in the world here.

Fans of IT fucks will remember that the software for the Nimrod project ultimately doomed it to failure with GEC unfairly taking the blame. In reality the RAF never wanted it (they preferred AWACS) and at it's height the MoD were submitting 10,000 change requests a year. (This was the project with the disappearing scientists)

Acronyms 🤔🤯

(I've looked some up)

There will be a vast number of people who start using local shops,farmers markets, bartering, etc. Supermarkets will lose out I think.

More people will nick food from farms. Cattle rustling will return.

Yes. If I have understood correctly, it seems to partly be driven by the SNP choosing to follow the recommendations in the Cass report? The Greens are not happy with this and Yousuf has told them tough and ended the alliance. I think there must be other issues at play, though?

ETA: the main issue seems to be the SNP's climbdown on climate targets, rather than the Cass report. I read a few things on Twitter that claimed it was all to do with the Cass report. Shame on me for not checking Twitter sources properly😳

Is this something to do with those hateful 15minute cities?

It's the great Reset

"Shaved afghan hound Chris Philp" 😂

Too pretty. I think he looks like a weasel.

If the customer didn't tell the supplier there was a requirement for audit, the supplier can't be held responsible for not implementing it.

It is quite likely they didn't. Other possibility is they deprioritised it in favour of something more blingy.

Horizon is more difficult as someone somewhere blatantly lied about a system error.

Source: 15 years working in govt IT programme delivery 😂Boring things like auditing often get missed

Too true jane. You sound like someone also with government IT tech delivery experience 😂

@L1ttledrummergirl - I am skeptical though it may prove a good outcome in dietary terms and improve health.

My gloomier view is that you will get food deserts to an even greater extent than now. What incentives would there be for local shops if there is significant shoplifting? While I don't agree with the Conservatives response to say it is not a problem is wrong. It is. It deters owners and indeed anyone else from maintaining a business. These shops will be making a very small margin on most things. Supermarkets can take that hit and price it in. Small local shops will struggle.

My "experience" is in running a mile at every and any opportunity. However I know people.

Wait until the fact that the ability to deal with a constellation of pronouns was prioritised over the ability to run an audit emerges. Because you know it was. It's the Monty Python cheese shop - best in the district. "Very clear, sir".

What I don't understand about the Horizon cock up is why? I get the messed up thinking behind the Post Office refusing to acknowledge the problem. They wanted to protect the brand. Mess up but it is a reason. But why were Fujitsu going in and making changes to the account? It's implied in the tv drama that one case was as a means of intimidating someone who saw that they could do it. But why the others? What did they gain from it?

The Scottish VoNC or VoNCs are a lovely distraction from the Tory failures. Not denying that the SNP are useless.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1783768169716314136

Rishi’s got a new video. Obviously this has gone as well as expected.

My SNP member family remain convinced there will be an All The President's Men/JFK style film on this in 30 years which will examine the shadowy forces that worked to bring down NS and then HY.

Bearing in mind the person that bought down Richard Nixon was ... Richard Nixon.

Gosh

The Daily Express reports Chris Phipp's confusion

BBC Question Time viewers cringe as Tory asks 'are Rwanda and Congo different?' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

I wonder how many MPs are aware of the potential issues in Rwanda?

That is insulting weasels. Who also have more use in this world.

I'd be interested to hear @prettybird view of the current Scottish situation. I don't know enough to comment.

@Piggywaspushed - there will really not be! They were just pretty greedy it seems

Me too, I'd like to properly understand.

'it seems' according to whom, though?

It was a bad example - I couldn't think of the right kind of film.

I think it's a bit naive to think there aren't greater forces at work here, in all honesty.