All these people taking weight loss appetite suppressant drugs?!!

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Is it me or is this a bit sinister?

You seem a bit pressed. 😮

No idea what that means.

I think it will become a medical issue, it is our new endemic. Even it is a lifestyle problem, obesity is so widespread due to food like items is a majority of our diet due to aggressive marketing and normalising of convenience foods as our main meals due to fast paced lifestyle.
I try my best to cook from scratch as it terrifies me how much impact poor choices of food can do. And bring obese is just one thing.

I agree with you. I know a person who will take warfarin, and other strong medication, yet won't even consider ditching a mountain of sweet drinks and treats, that he consumes daily. It all starts with habit change.

And?

So you aren’t constructing an argument but just throwing out non sequiturs?

I'm just airing my opinions, like anyone else on a MN thread.

I put different ideas in different paragraphs.

The class actions are coming from people who have been legitimately prescibed Ozempic.

The fact people are so influenced by the hope of some miracle treatment they bypass the blocks to them getting their hands on it (maybe they aren't very fat, and have been refused it, maybe they aren't very well off financially, maybe they just clicked on a link or a facebook post offering cheap deals), is a separate and worrying matter.

You mean the drug that is put in Ozempic?

So diabetics are within this class action are they?

@violetlozenge You are so weirdly "concerned" about ozempic, mounjaro etc, despite being rather ignorant about the whole thing. No one using it thinks it's a miracle treatment. It's the weight loss equivalent of a nicotine patch. Not a miracle drug that does all the work for you. And no one thinks smokers are lazy or taking the easy way out when they use aids like patches to quit.

Don't you have something else, something actually relevant to you, to obsess over?

Pardon me for responding to a thread. Pardon me for trying to clarify what I meant. Pardon me for presenting facts - there is a lawsuit, no not "oh just one", but a lawsuit that combines 55+ other lawsuits, already - there are problems requiring a black box warning - and there are people in their millions getting this online, using it for off-label purposes, at larger doses than is wise.

I didn't coin the term "Ozempic Face". I am not the cosmetic surgeon who did, after seeing patients like this coming into my office after rapid weightloss on a drug they didn't need as they were not particularly overweight. I didn't decided the amount of pounds per week lost that he said was causing this side-effect. Or any other unwelcome fact I noted. I am sure there are more unwelcome facts that will come out in years to come.

You and many others don't like my opinion that this will end in tears, globally, and massive lawsuits? History repeats. I don't like being snipped at and badgered and having phrases and sentences plucked out of my posts and used as gotchas, or being quoted and @-ed by angry people who don't like basic facts or opinions that make them question their own, and who can't apparently google stuff themselves.

It was foolish of me to try to clarify what I'd written. I am sorry to have insulted everyone's Precious. But, really, there is nothing to fear from my posts - as nobody is taking it off you. Best off luck with it and your future health.

I support the use of these medications for people who are already obese, as it is really very difficult to lose large amounts of weight by sheer willpower. Human bodies are unfortunately not made to lose weight easily due to tens of thousands of years of evolution where the usual problem was getting enough food, not too much!

However I totally agree that it is not handling the societal underlying causes that led to having so many obese people in the first place though

I think the real answer would have to be banning UPFs. People in the 60s and 70s were normal weight, not because they had to use willpower and were made of sterner stuff but because their food environment was mostly natural foods which are a lot more satiating and a lot harder to overeat (try eating 10 eggs!).

I am usually very much against "nanny state" policies and absolutely support peoples right to think and choose for themselves, but I fear this area of processed and fast foods may be one case where that is heading for disaster.

@lurkylurk I also agree that governments need to step in here. And 3I completely agree with you about UPFs- I suspect that when the current research in this area has been completed, we will only find out more worrying issues about them.

I think my previous post may have come across that I don't support the use of the drugs to aid obesity- that's not the case, and with some people surrounded by the right support and guidance it will be a useful tool. It's more that we need to tackle the root causes of obesity and pull it out by the root, so to speak. That starts by encouraging and enabling a healthy lifestyle that minimises obesity in the first place. I can't see much happening in that aspect currently.

Totally agree.

There is a whole lot of evidence that weight loss reverses those things????

Try doing some research before just stating what you assume to be the case.

So it’s definitely the weight loss itself that improves health? Not the change in habits like eating a better diet or increasing activity? In that case, why aren’t all obese people offered liposuction to rid themselves of the fat.

Because it's mostly losing the fat around the organs (visceral fat), not so much the subcutaneous fat (fat under the skin) that delivers health benefits.

So if what you say is true and isn’t at all nuanced by the fact that thin people also have visceral fat around their organs, what’s the point in losing the ‘non organ fat’?

Edited - Not to mention the fact that there is no known method of IWL that works long term. That’s another thing people who tout weight loss as a panacea forget. Even if everything was 100% straightforward that losing weight absolutely fixes health and gaining weight definitely CAUSES (is not just correlated with) ill health, there is still no safe method of losing weight effectively and permanently for the majority of the population. Even the NHS knows it doesn’t work, so much so there’s a study into why.

Then you’ve got stories like this. This one is one of so many but this sort of thing (delayed) is never accounted or controlled for in the studies that show being fat is a healh risk.

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When I took it it stopped me thinking about food & the next meal all the time. It really helped me get myself under control. I only took it for 2 months and gave myself an overhall and went on to loose 3.5 stone in total.

A year on I haven't put weight back on, but seem to have stopped loosing weigh. I am really having to fight the food thoughts - food is an addiction and if there is a drug that help then it should be accessible.

I would love to take it again to help me reduce my BMI from the obese to the healthy but I am slightly below the BMI of 27 that is required.

Even if they did, there'd still be threads like this saying fatties are sinister, taking the easy option and too stupid to understand the risks.

Absolutely. Don’t you know us fatties are to blame for everything wrong with the world?! 🙄

After 2 years most people will have adapted to the "new" way of living though. E.g. if you are used to eating huge portions then suddenly eating much smaller ones is going to be really hard. These drugs limit your appetite so you get used to smaller portions without feeling hungry or getting cravings. After 2 years of eating small portions, for most people that will become the norm and a big portion like they used to eat will be too much for them, exactly as it is for people who don't use drugs to aid their weight loss.

If you've got to a healthy weight, its much easier to cut back again the moment you notice you're a few pounds heavier or your clothes feel tight. Say you stop using wegovy at ten stone. Its a lot easier to get back to ten stone from 10 stone 5, than to go from 18 stone to 10 stone...

Plus having lost weight gives you a greater impetus to keep it off. If you've been overweight a long time/forever you might not remember or know exactly what you felt like at a healthy weight. You might have a vague idea that you think you might look "better" or that you'd be able to do more exercise or not get as sweaty, but you wouldn't KNOW. Whereas if you've recently lost weight you know exactly what its like both at your new weight and how you used to look and feel.

I appreciate for people who think of it as a magic wand it might not work long term but that was never the intention- the idea is to use it to kick start weight loss ALONGSIDE general and sustainable lifestyle changes.

Well said. Great post.

Valid points, but study shows weight gain.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35441470/

Ugh, such fat acceptance nonsense. You know that study that said 95% of people regain weight is flawed and inaccurate right?

Interesting article in one of o ur Australian broadsheets today.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-can-t-really-explain-it-ozempic-works-so-why-is-writer-johann-hari-conflicted-20240411-p5fiyt.html