All these people taking weight loss appetite suppressant drugs?!!

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Is it me or is this a bit sinister?

I've used it. Believe me, you can still gain weight easily on it if you hit the cakes. I gained over Xmas and a holiday and didn't 'pig out' in the slightest.

Yes, it slows down digestion so you feel fuller for longer but it doesn't miraculously remove appetite.

It seems like it works best on those it makes feel so nauseous it pretty much stops them eating.

I think it clearly has very different effects on different people, not surprisingly

When I was using it, it didnt cut my appetite, but it changed it completely. Firstly it shut off the food noise, food then became just like it is for 'normal' people, just ate when hungry

Secondly and more importantly, when hungry I would seek out and want an apple, or a salad, or protein and veg, this was what I desired rather than something sweet or carby or fatty.

Thirdly, having had my apple or salad or whatever, I was completely satisfied with it rather than thinking, 'wheres the pasty'.

So no, it didnt cut my appetite, I didnt stop eating due to side effects or anything like that, it completely changed what sort of food I wanted and would be satisifed with.

Problem is I couldnt stand the injecting side of it so kept 'missing' doses because I was avoiding it

In the interests of being well informed, I just listened to the Dr Mark Hyman "truth about Ozempic" podcast from Diary of a CEO. This was referenced by a PP as evidence against weight loss medication. He is an advocate for fixing health problems with food/lifestyle.

What he actually says is:

• they work
• they are probably a good idea for people with significantly raised BMI
• they probably aren't a good idea if you only have a small amount of weight to lose
• they have some side effects
• you have to use them for life - like many medications

He makes a big deal about loss of muscle on weight loss drugs but like "Ozempic face," this is a by product of ANY WEIGHT LOSS. You would lose muscle if you lost weight the Dr Mark Hyman way. See: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0JpJ0BXrSrEwxhIoxVJHYN?si=Zz0pUD_FQM6NB4uOPtNewQ

He also complains about the cost which is much lower in the UK. I think cost IS a factor because people currently need to have a spare £250/month to buy them themselves - I think they should be available to people on lower incomes, who are statistically more likely to have obesity and poor health.

So in other words, even a doctor who is a major proponent of "fixing yourself" with food thinks these drugs can be a good idea for people with obesity.

FOR ACTUAL SCIENCE FROM AN ACTUAL PROFESSOR ABOUT WHY WEIGHT LOSS DRUGS CAN BE A GOOD IDEA (and why obesity is a disease, not a choice): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6bwUubBoeo

Sorry I’m talking about mounjaro my partner has been using it ..it gives you a felling of not wanting or able to eat as much it’s fantastic you can only use it for 6 months

"Ozempic face," this is a by product of ANY WEIGHT LOSS

It is a by-product of rapid weight loss.

Because I think people will a) kick up a fuss b) get around it in possibly not safe ways. C) manufacturers and big businesses will kick up a fuss and get around it.

I just don't think governments should be in the business of controlling things in this way.

Weight loss on GLP analogues is rapid for some but not others. My friend has been put on a VLCD to get her blood sugar under control before an op (T2) and she has 'ozempic face' despite not having taken it ever. I lost 1lb a week on GLP analogues which is perfectly fine and I don't have 'ozempic face' and nor do most people.

What do you define as rapid, how many pounds per week?

Despite the claims on this thread of incredibly rapid losses, no one I know who has actually taken it (which is a fair few people across forum chats and FB groups) have experienced this. I've lost a steady 1-2lbs per week, which is pretty standard.

The gold standard treatment for people with a BMI over 40 is bariatric surgery, which causes extremely rapid weight loss. Which is worse, "Ozempic face" or the health problems associated with being very obese?

Around 5lbs per week.

The people who are getting Ozempic Face are not majorly overweight. If I was morbidly obese and offered bariatric surgery or one of these drugs, I'd go with the drug.

But people who are not even obese or even particularly overweight are using these drugs without medical supervision, purchased off the internet, and often getting counterfeit versions of the drug, and also overdosing themselves.

We should all revisit this thread in 5 -10 years, when the class action lawsuits will, in my view, be ramping up.

Ive lost on average 1.5lbs to 2lbs a week for about 18 months now.

I have what seems to be ozempic face, otherwise known as 'peri menopause slippage face' or 'this is what weight loss looks like in an older person face' or specifically for me 'never had proper cheekbones, only fat and now its gone I have no cheekbones face'

That is the reality of weight loss for some people. Not everyone ages the same or looks the same after major weight loss.

Stop the scare mongering for people that need medication to make changes to their health.

Stop the scare mongering for people that need medication to make changes to their health.

Yes, I do remember realising during the pandemic that many people on MN do not like facts.

It can cause rapid weight loss, it doesnt always.

Since my surgery Ive lost weight at about an average of 1.5lbs a week, prior to surgery I lost quite a lot of weight at a quicker pace. Im not sure why it slowed down so much after surgery but I certainly have not experienced rapid weight loss.

And I can answer your other question, this has been life changing for me and given me far far more healthy years ahead of me. Yes I look a touch older, but then I didnt look great in previous pictures anyway, all bloated and blotchy, and saggy skin can be disguised with the right clothing. (or some people have plastic surgery obviously).

But people who are not even obese or even particularly overweight are using these drugs without medical supervision, purchased off the internet, and often getting counterfeit versions of the drug, and also overdosing themselves.

Class actions - for people buying counterfeit versions from criminals? Seems unlikely that’s going to work.

Class actions for people not following the dosage properly - again tricky to make a case.

Yes, I do remember realising during the pandemic that many people on MN do not like facts.

you do realise it’s been OK’d by the MRHA for weight loss? That’s a fact for you. I’m sure as a body the MHRA have weighed up all the evidence and facts and made a sound medical decision.

Aaah, OK.

Not tried that one.

I'm not sure how they can be facts @violetlozenge when you're just imagining lots of class action law suits in the future.?

Anyway, you won't be availing yourself of these weight loss drugs so I've no idea why you're so invested in it. There are plenty of drugs taken and surgery undergone by people for lesser reasons, purely cosmetic procedures for example, that I wouldn't choose to undergo that are nothing to do with me and have absolutely no bearing on my life. But I don't guess what the situation might be in a few years time and pretend to have some kind of insight.

I don't expect you to agree with me though and my prediction fwiw is that you'll come up with some reason why we're all foolish and you'll be right on the money.

Gosh, you have swallowed the Kool-Aid. And only a year ago you made a thread on Site Stuff complaining about having to see all the threads about Ozempic and similar drugs and asking for them to be removed from Weight Loss to their own board.

These are separate paragraphs, darl.

Quite.

As we now know obesity is complex and the issues faced by people who need to lose a lot of weight are not the same as those who want to lose a stone for going on holiday. It’s a step to managing obesity as a chronic health condition that’s all, not a miracle cure.

you're just imagining lots of class action law suits in the future

No, I am projecting from past and current knowledge of how these things go with "miracle weight loss" drugs:

Fen-Phen Maker to Pay Billions In Settlement of Diet-Injury Cases - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

With an update on lawsuits still being filed in 2024:
2024 Update: Fen Phen Lawsuits Still Being Filed & Paid (ckglawfirm.com)

Current lawsuit for Ozempic (combining 55+ separate lawsuits):

Ozempic Lawsuit: April 2024 Gastroparesis Lawsuit Update (drugwatch.com)

"Ozempic lawsuits claim the drug can cause severe gastroparesis, ileus, intestinal blockage and even death, and that the drug’s manufacturers failed to warn of this risk. "

Oh wow! Someone bothered to search my username on Mumsnet! I'm so flattered 🥰😍

Yep I did start a thread on site stuff asking for it to ozempic to have its own board. Purely because there are lots of threads about it crowding out the ordinary weight loss chats. I and many other people do not currently use Ozempic or mounjarno and so for now I'm looking at other weight loss chat threads as I have for many years.

If you have searched my user name you will see I have for some years been very pro Ozempic and hope it will be widely available for people who would benefit from it.

If I've swalllowed the Ozempic Kool aid that's great. I don't give a monkeys about some random on Mumsnet tells me or links me to. Especially as these are currently lawsuits and not rulings.

You say "projecting" I say "imagining".