Iran launches drones on Israel tonight. Is this very serious as in kickstarting ww3?

[Primroseoil]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/13/iran-launches-drone-attack-against-israel

Difficult decisions lay ahead, a nuclear armed Iran will in effect be another N.Korea in the middle east, in other words almost impossible to deal with, what then? it'll be too late to restrain Iran at that point, other than sanctions which works so well against rogue nuclear states and unle NK, Iran has oil, so they'll always be India and China etc willing to trade.

I think Israel will seek to attack Irans nuclear program, which they have done before, the current Israeli Govt is far more hawkish.

Iran launched over 100 ballistic and cruise missiles at Israel, yes they were shot down but thats not a given and it'll take time to replenish the missile defence systems and at huge cost.

300 missiles and attack drones is an act of war in anyone's book.

Someone's asking which side we are on? An Islamist terrorists state or a democratic country - sheesh - the mind boggles

dont forget that the democratic country bombed a consul few weeks ago and is currently being judged for committing genocide on another country. I mean if I have to pick sides … can I choose none ?

Agree. This isn’t Ukraine. There isn’t a clear goodie and baddie.

It’s complex and both sides are flawed and behind the scenes there are decades or more of historical conflict backed by the politics and history of multiple other countries some of whom are using the obvious players as pawns in their own fuckery and power plays.

Sometimes one is more awful than the other. Both feel they are in the right entirely. Their citizens are innocent (some brainwashed likely but that’s propaganda not really their fault mostly) and suffering. There IS no easy answer and whatever the outcome people will suffer and lose something and the cycle of peace and conflict will ebb and flow. That’s the best case scenario. Worst case is someone pulls out the nuclear weapons

i think this is what is bothering me - it seems very important to supporters of Israel that others agree with their stance that Israel is not in the wrong here. But actually it’s way more complex than that, and I don’t think it’s possible to find any sort of justification for Israel’s actions in Gaza, nor bombing a foreign consul. I’m really struggling with my Israeli supporting friends on this point, I cannot agree that Israel are the ‘good guys’ yet I don’t get that same level of pressure from my Iranian friends.

That's because your Iranian friends aren't facing an existential threat from neighbouring countries whose sworn intent is to wipe them off the face of the earth. They 'just' have to contend with their own fundamentalist government (which is bloody awful). Neither the Iranian or Israeli 'man on the street' is in a good place right now.

No other country in the world during war has to detail who they are targeting - Why do IDF have to? terrorists plotting to kill my people in a building in a compound are fair cop - they are not civilians they are murderous Islamist terrorists vowing in every fibre of their body to wipe Israel off the map

Two days before the attack, Iranian officials briefed counterparts from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries on the outlines and timing of their plan for the large-scale strikes on Israel so that those countries could safeguard airspace, the officials said. The information was passed along to the U.S., giving Washington and Israel crucial advance warning. WSJ

Did Iran know that the Embassy was going to be targeted?

The embassy wasn't targeted. Terrorist leaders were.

the loopholes some people go through in order to justify idfs actions 🤦🏻‍♀️

Facepalm all you like but there is a difference between hitting a building adjacent to an embassy containing terrorists who helped organise / fund Hamas' 7 Oct on Israel and sending hundreds of rockets into Israel.

No matter what is justified - or not - this will escalate further. And I remain unconvinced whether this is a good thing (getting rid of Iran's nuclear threat so some innocent lives are destroyed in the short term) or a bad thing (many more innocent loss of life later). It's all bloody awful.

Iranian officials? You mean the Islamic Republic who kill women for not wearing a hijab who hang men from cranes for protesting - the whole world needs to worry about these 'officials' marching towards a nuclear war the Iranian people want peace.

It’s not loopholes , it’s true . I can say the same , the actions some people have to justify to defend Hamas that is nothing more or less than a terrorist group

Just in case anyone has the slightest interest in facts about the Embassy bombing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Iranian_embassy_in_Damascus#Casualties

i really hope this doesn’t escalate further. The world really does feel like it’s on fire.

Bombing buildings in someone else's county is wrong

There is no justification

If you were really unhappy with what was happening in that building you talk to the coressponding government and negotiate a solution or agree with then you can bomb it

High handed arrogance is breathtaking

They are both wrong, all the parties involved.
That is going to include the US and UK if they do not manage to descalate and cool this one with a bucket of ice.
Last six months (not only, but to start somewhere..) the world has witness what they are capable of when they send each other messages through third parties, posturing and sneaking around. Can you imagine a direct conflict between those two? With all the countries and CIVILIANS that are between the two of them? And the Western parties that they will try to incolve in it too?
It will be like pouring water on burning oil and we will all pay dearly for it.
They will be better keeping a cool head and reflect about what they are doing to the world around them.

I suspect they have spent decades negotiating a solution.

I don't see how it would work now

If their negotiation skills are that poor, the solution still isn't to bomb another country

no excuses

People still don't seem to realise that saying why Iran did something is not the same as supporting Iran.

If a country did something similar to us as Israel did, what would we do?

Cameron replied to that question today. He kind of implied that he would do the same

The world isn't as black and white and work in a way we'd like it to though. I get what you're saying @kelsaycobbles. Truly I do. Who is to decide who is bombable or not? Just because we don't like what they're doing should we bomb them? Because that means they could bomb us if they don't like what we're doing? But meanwhile in the real world, each government is (mostly) looking after its own country's national interests and security. What they are saying in public and what they're doing behind the scenes to protect their people can be wildly different. Our national interest and security, along side most of the western world's is not aligned to Iran having nuclear power.

Whilst I agree with you I can’t see how Israel bombing Iran will benefit Israel citizens. And how Iran bombing Israel will benefit Iran citizens.

If Israel does what I think it will do - i.e. use its and its allies' intelligence and weapons - to take out Iran's nuclear capability - there will be immediate jeopardy for all but longer term safety for all. Short term losses for longer term security.

Will this benefit many international citizens? Including Israelis, the UK and US? Yes.
Will they realise it? Probably not.
Will this help Iranians? I don't know. If it weakens the Supreme Leader and his regime, allowing another revolution, this could be another Arab Spring. But would the moderates win out against religious fundamentalists? Again, I don't know.

Abolfazl Amoui, spokesman for the National Security and Foreign Policy Committee of the Iranian Parliament says Iran is ready to use weapons that it has not used before and we have a plan for all scenarios if Israel escalates