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MissyB1 · 14/04/2024 14:13

MushMonster · 14/04/2024 13:47

There cannot be anything wrong at all in wanting ceasefires, stops to wars and peace talks and sorting things within peace talks and agreements.
Why there are so many people that reacts negatively to a ceasefire petition still baffles me, but here we are.
Peace is for civilians. And this is what most of the world want, see the numbers of people supporting ceasefire petitions. Even when some have faced personal consequences for this.
War seems to be what the governments and military parties closely involved in this want. They want to assert and expand their powers. And they will not think twice of using their own population and others to this end. Also, dividing public opinion is a successful tool, which they all use.

I’m amazed at the amount of general public that are often so bloodthirsty for war.

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 14:18

MushMonster · 14/04/2024 14:07

Everything is pointing at Trump's return later in the year.
I do not think he can magically put this one back in the box!

Nope he certainly can’t. Now that things are escalating he will be hell bent on annihilating anyone who isn’t on side with the US.
Sometimes keeping the madmen in power is the only way to keep world peace. Sad but true.

parkrun500club · 14/04/2024 14:23

colouringindoors · 13/04/2024 23:35

Putin has just declared Russia's support of Iran.
Becoming concerned.

I've thought all along that Putin was behind this to distract the West from Ukraine (and the Soviets never liked the Jews - I doubt the current neo-Soviets are any different).

I also think that women would be much less willing to risk war.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 14/04/2024 14:24

GingerPirate · 14/04/2024 12:02

I wish the UK would stay out of them all, really.

UK did the right thing last night.

Had the attack succeeded then Israeli response would have had to be severe and this would have escalated things immensely. Helping shooting down the drones helps de-escalate.

Smokee · 14/04/2024 14:27

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 14:04

I am going out on a limb and putting the blame on Hamas for their initial attack on Israelis.
I also think if Trump was still in power, Putin would not have made a move on Ukraine.

Why not Netanyahu who is responsible for funding and supported Hamas?

Smokee · 14/04/2024 14:29

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 14/04/2024 14:24

UK did the right thing last night.

Had the attack succeeded then Israeli response would have had to be severe and this would have escalated things immensely. Helping shooting down the drones helps de-escalate.

The attack did succeed. After israeli defences had been overwhelmed by the cheap drones and older cruise missiles, Iran fired ballistic missiles which weren't intercepted. Go on X and see the missiles clearly hitting Israel, one after another.

Noicant · 14/04/2024 14:30

FoxgloveGarden05 · 14/04/2024 10:10

Israel has been striking Iran for some time now. Nothing too full-on but enough to cause some damage and also to target certain individuals that Israel wish to kill. It has been happening for years.

I think this has probably been in response to the funding of hostile proxies in the area which target Israel and threatening to wipe out Israel on Irans part.

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 14:31

Smokee · 14/04/2024 14:27

Why not Netanyahu who is responsible for funding and supported Hamas?

No, I’d say Hamas were fools to bite the hand that feeds them.

Smokee · 14/04/2024 14:33

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 14:31

No, I’d say Hamas were fools to bite the hand that feeds them.

You blame the monster instead of Frankenstein?

anotherside · 14/04/2024 14:51

TextureSeeker · 14/04/2024 12:58

I'm sure if it escalates beyond one attack from Iran in response to an attack from Israel people will march for peace. Nobody wants to see innocent civillians killed no matter their nationality. Right now though all that has happened is posturing. There really isn't anything to march for. If Iran starts occupying Israel, killing over 1% of their population, purposefully starving them and removing all medical care with the support of my government I absolutely would march against it.

Well said.

GoodnightAdeline · 14/04/2024 14:54

I’m not a hysterical ‘ONG PETRIFIED WW3’ type, but yes this is very serious. There is absolutely nothing that makes us, or anyone, immune to war. We should be doing more than an ostrich impression (we being the leaders).

FoxgloveGarden05 · 14/04/2024 15:07

Noicant · 14/04/2024 14:30

I think this has probably been in response to the funding of hostile proxies in the area which target Israel and threatening to wipe out Israel on Irans part.

It is a long and rather complicated history but Israel is not innocent! Not by a longshot!

anotherside · 14/04/2024 15:07

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 14:04

I am going out on a limb and putting the blame on Hamas for their initial attack on Israelis.
I also think if Trump was still in power, Putin would not have made a move on Ukraine.

I’m curious as an intellectual exercise - say we accept your claim that the historical atrocities in this conflict first started six months ago. Let’s pretend that’s true for a moment. So pretending that is true - at what point, if any, does Israel’s response - which is basically the mass murder and displacement of Palestinian civilians - become detestable. At what point, if any, would Israel hold moral culpability? 100,000 civilian deaths? 1 million dead children? Palestine completely destroyed? Is it still “I blame Hamas”? At what point, if any, would you stop blaming Hamas? And let’s remember that Hamas is a terrorist entity that managed to gain political power in no small part thanks to Netanyahu - who did not want a moderate political entity like Abbas, pushing for a two state solution, representing Palestine to the world.

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 15:11

Smokee · 14/04/2024 14:33

You blame the monster instead of Frankenstein?

If that is the analogy you wish to use, yes.
Hamas are responsible for the initial attacks on Israelis. Had they not attacked innocent civilians, Israel would not have anything to retaliate against.
From my own ignorant seat in sunny uk, I wouldn’t trust any Middle East country as far as I could throw them.
Hoping Rishi isn’t going to do a Blair and start making shit up as an excuse to start further attacks

FoxgloveGarden05 · 14/04/2024 15:13

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 14:04

I am going out on a limb and putting the blame on Hamas for their initial attack on Israelis.
I also think if Trump was still in power, Putin would not have made a move on Ukraine.

But what about the 6th of October? What about all of the other days in Gaza and the Occupied Westbank?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 14/04/2024 15:14

Smokee · 14/04/2024 14:29

The attack did succeed. After israeli defences had been overwhelmed by the cheap drones and older cruise missiles, Iran fired ballistic missiles which weren't intercepted. Go on X and see the missiles clearly hitting Israel, one after another.

Have there been other casualties, apart from the one boy?

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 15:19

anotherside · 14/04/2024 15:07

I’m curious as an intellectual exercise - say we accept your claim that the historical atrocities in this conflict first started six months ago. Let’s pretend that’s true for a moment. So pretending that is true - at what point, if any, does Israel’s response - which is basically the mass murder and displacement of Palestinian civilians - become detestable. At what point, if any, would Israel hold moral culpability? 100,000 civilian deaths? 1 million dead children? Palestine completely destroyed? Is it still “I blame Hamas”? At what point, if any, would you stop blaming Hamas? And let’s remember that Hamas is a terrorist entity that managed to gain political power in no small part thanks to Netanyahu - who did not want a moderate political entity like Abbas, pushing for a two state solution, representing Palestine to the world.

I honestly do not care about their politics. I honestly do not care if they decide to blow each other up.
Im just trying to work my ass off to buy food and electricity. This ain’t gonna help

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 15:25

FoxgloveGarden05 · 14/04/2024 15:13

But what about the 6th of October? What about all of the other days in Gaza and the Occupied Westbank?

It’s been like this for donkeys years. Obviously for some reason I don’t know, everyone was like ‘oh no poor Israel’ which was weird because it’s usually ‘poor Gaza’
I haven’t really been arsed about it because they are always having a pop at each other.
We always seem to have to get involved in shit that is not anything to do we the west.

Anonymous2025 · 14/04/2024 15:45

Smokee · 14/04/2024 11:31

The hundreds of cheap drones and old cruise missiles that were sent by iran were to saturate the iron dome. Once they saturated the iron dome they then sent ballistic missiles which weren't intercepted at all.

Although Iran didn't use them last night, like Russia and China they have hypersonic missiles for which their is no technology in the world that can intercept.

They where intercepted by brownish and U.K. planes

GoodnightAdeline · 14/04/2024 15:47

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 15:25

It’s been like this for donkeys years. Obviously for some reason I don’t know, everyone was like ‘oh no poor Israel’ which was weird because it’s usually ‘poor Gaza’
I haven’t really been arsed about it because they are always having a pop at each other.
We always seem to have to get involved in shit that is not anything to do we the west.

Yes it’s irritating how the rest of the world won’t just stand by as people are slaughtered and starved isn’t it?

Smokee · 14/04/2024 15:57

Anonymous2025 · 14/04/2024 15:45

They where intercepted by brownish and U.K. planes

They didn't intercept all of them and they definitely didn't intercept the ballistic missiles.

Smokee · 14/04/2024 15:59

GoonieGang · 14/04/2024 15:11

If that is the analogy you wish to use, yes.
Hamas are responsible for the initial attacks on Israelis. Had they not attacked innocent civilians, Israel would not have anything to retaliate against.
From my own ignorant seat in sunny uk, I wouldn’t trust any Middle East country as far as I could throw them.
Hoping Rishi isn’t going to do a Blair and start making shit up as an excuse to start further attacks

I blame Israel because if it wasn't for their treatment of Palestenians there wouldn't be a Hamas. Also over 200 Palestenians including over 30 children killed in the West Bank where there is no Hamas in 2023 before 7th October.

MushMonster · 14/04/2024 16:15

It is about who can and will stop it.
Who is to blame: every single party. All guilty.
Who has the diplomacy, cool head and bravery to stop it? That is my current question.

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 16:17

BigPepperPerson · 14/04/2024 14:11

Wilful ignorance or stupidity? I honestly can't call it.

What ignorance?

The people in Iran are under an awful regime. That's clear and well known.

However - Israel did attack an Iranian Embassy. They had their reasons - but what did Israel expect to happen?

If a country gets attacked by another country, what should the country that is attacked do?

And saying that does not mean people support Iran at all. It's merely saying that when a country attacks another country, there is usually a response.

Anonymous2025 · 14/04/2024 16:22

cakeorwine · 14/04/2024 16:17

What ignorance?

The people in Iran are under an awful regime. That's clear and well known.

However - Israel did attack an Iranian Embassy. They had their reasons - but what did Israel expect to happen?

If a country gets attacked by another country, what should the country that is attacked do?

And saying that does not mean people support Iran at all. It's merely saying that when a country attacks another country, there is usually a response.

You mean like on October 7th ?

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