Would you kill...?

[RottingInBed]

Hello again

This is my 2nd crime related post of the night! Have been binge-watching stuff.

My questions are:

1. is there anyone you would kill if you knew 100% you would get away with it? (If yes, would you want to do it yourself or via a hitman?) and

2. would you accept say £1million but you knew that a random person you don't know would drop dead?

Bet I'm going to have some fcked up dreams tonight!

Thanks for any responses.

This thread is so depressing that I think I'll take a little break from MNet.

It's horrible isn't it? Sickening.

I agree it is sickening. I hope it's bravado but I don't think so.

And I suspect these people who are so happy to kill another human think they are "good" people. I think it just shows how selfish and evil humans are.

Are you saying, if you had the opportunity, you wouldn't rid the world of Putin? Or Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, any other evil murdering dictator? You'd shrug and let Putin go on killing both Ukrainians and his own people? Why?
Edited for typo.

I was about to say:-

1. Yes (a certain Russian leader)
2. No (I've seen The Box)

I don't feel like I have the moral right to take away someone else's life, however horrible they are. Just like I don't agree with capital punishment.

In the case of Putin, I think it's easy to forget that there are other unstable megalomaniacs in the Russian government that would step into his place and possibly make things even worse eg nuclear war. I would not want that on my conscience.

The truly horrible stuff that people have posted though is that they'd happily kill "normal" people who have hurt them in some way or kill a random stranger for money. I think it's a really scary insight into how selfish and evil humanity is.

Anyone who thinks most people are not selfish and 'evil' or more correctly capable of acts considered evil is very naive. It's sweet actually (genuinely) and shows a great deal more faith in humans than I'll ever have.

I think people need to believe they are incapable of extreme selfishness or acts of 'evil' because they need to believe that about themselves.

But in the right (or wrong) circumstances I think they'd realise different.

Everyone has their price. Everyone. And if someone truly believes they don't then I think if they were ever in a situation where their hypothetical price became a real offer (iyswim) they'd find out something distressing about themselves.

It's really easy to sit comfortably, fed and with shelter, and talk about your morals but morality is a luxury.

Am I, for example, a bad person or a realistic person if I say yes, I probably would do x awful thing for y fantastic benefit?

I could sit here and say god no, I'd never do that, how disgusting.

Just like I could sit here and take it to real extremes and say in a post apocalyptic world I would share my last slice of bread with a stranger's child.

But I wouldn't. Truth is I'd bash them over the head and prise it from their cold dead hands if it meant my own child would eat that day.

Being all kind and moral about hypothetical situations I'm never going to actually face is so easy. I can sit there and give the Good answer, safe in the knowledge I'm never going to be tested on it. Others will never find out what I would or wouldn't do and more importantlyI would never find out what I really would or wouldn't do.

Am I evil or am I realistic about human nature?

Rhetorical question btw, I know I'm going to be told I'm evil. I disagree. I think I'm just someone who is under no illusions about the true nature of the wild animal that is mankind.

You are contradicting yourself. You say:

"Anyone who thinks most people are not selfish and 'evil' or more correctly capable of acts considered evil is very naive."

And then conclude saying "I know I'm going to be told I'm evil. I disagree."

Oh I'm sure I'm capable of killing in certain circumstances @IncompleteSenten , in fact, I'm certain of it. But the question was 'is there anyone you would kill' and, very luckily for me, there's no one in my life up to now that I have wished dead.

1. Yes
2. No

No.

I said

Anyone who thinks most people are not selfish and 'evil' or more correctly capable of acts considered evil is very naive. The bolded bit is the important bit there.

I then said I do not consider myself (edit) evil
(Don't consider myself evil as in don't consider myself an evil person.)

Which I don't.

I consider myself a perfectly average person, capable under certain circumstances of acts that would be considered evil (and of the opinion that nobody is any different).

Other people may see me as an evil person. I don't think that is true. (Back to my first point which is acts considered evil v being 'evil')

I'm not seeing a contradiction there.

No to both. The guilt would eat away at me.

So...you have said:

You would kill someone if you could get away with it.

You would accept £1 million in return for a random person dropping dead.

Most people are evil or capable of committing evil acts and you are an average person.

Other people may see you as an evil person.

BUT you don't consider yourself evil.

How can you not see that this last sentence is contradictory?

It's like saying I steal things but I'm not a thief. I lie but I'm not a liar. I do evil things but I'm not evil.

I don't. I honestly don't. Genuinely.

Saying that other people may view me differently from how I view myself is not contradicting myself.

Saying a person committing an isolated evil act is different from them being an evil person is not contradicting myself.

I believe we are all capable of horrible things given the required motivation.

I'm not seeing a contradiction. I'm seeing nuance. I'm seeing the difference between a single action or a choice made as a result of a specific situation and the entirety of a person's character.

I'm not seeing contradiction.

I cannot believe what I’m reading???!!!
what kind of sick person even asks those questions?
no wonder children are committing murder these days, does life not mean anything anymore?

Wow. I mean. I don't really know how to respond to that. If you can't see it you can't see it.

Admitting that you would kill someone for money isn't exactly nuanced. It's evil.

So you don't think murderers or paedophiles are evil if it was one "isolated evil act"? Yet you would kill someone you know if you could get away with it. And happily let a random person die so you could get a million pounds. Perhaps we have completely different understandings of evil.

How many people do you have to murder before you accept that you're evil?

I stole a penny chew when I was six so ok, I'm a thief.

I lie alllll the time. I told my teachers I forgot my homework so many times when I was a kid but I hadn't done it.
I lied to my own kids constantly when they were younger. Yes it's bedtime. The music means the ice cream has run out. Eating your veg gives you super powers.
I told my husband he looked nice without his moustache. Ok, I'm a liar. We all are.

I've not actually killed anyone or arranged murder for money but if someone knocked on my door and offered me a million, noone will ever know, no consequences? Yeah, I'm self aware enough to know I'm probably taking the money.

I can't know that I would. I might if actually faced with that be horrified and go omg I know I said I could but that was just hypothetical! Away with you, devildog!

Does that make me evil?

Or not evil because I've not done it and only evil if it happened? Or evil because I consider a hypothetical situation and suspect I can be bought for a million. Or five. Or maybe ten. What is my actual price? I don't know. I do know everyone has one.

1. yes
2. no

Same

The problem here is the "required motivation." Who is drawing the line between "capable of horrible act but not evil" and "evil"?

I would argue that an average healthy person would not consider a million pounds sufficient motivation to take a life, and I say that as someone who has never seen anything like that much money!

Well it's just my opinion but I would say yes you're evil for saying that you would kill someone you know if you could get away with it and that you would let a random person be killed if you got money out of it. And you're naive if you think you aren't.