Thread 40: Sunak -failure to plan, or planning to fail?

[DuncinToffee]

Or will the fuckitty fuckwits please fuck off

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@Piggywaspushed I think you may have that slightly the wrong way round. Etymologically hope is a strong word - confidence, certainty. The problem is that it has been weakened by common modern usage - I hope it doesn't rain today. So now it's more like wish. Hence pledge and yes we can sound stronger.

Maybe you could fill it with flowers for him @dontcallmelen !

I agree @blossomtoes, Starmer should keep his powder dry until.Sunak calls an election.

Yes, I might do!

In fact, that's sort of what I meant? It's been watered down over the centuries so that it now means 'it probably won't happen'.

Starmer has got a very tricky tightrope to walk at the moment. He can't promise us the earth when he knows he's going to have one hell of a job on his hands getting this country back on to some sort of decent footing. He has to be realistic about what they can and cannot afford to do.

I think he can deal with people moaning about not knowing what their policies are at the moment. That's not important right now, it becomes very much so once the election is announced and the time comes for all parties to publish their manifestos.

I'm very sure that Labour have got a lot lined up but are keeping a lid on it for the time being. Any good policy they suggest right now would only get snapped up by the Tories anyway. They are the ones 'without a plan'.

I very much think that Starmer is playing the long game. He's keeping his cards close to his chest and will and should do so until the time is right.

Walking that tightrope whilst carrying the Ming vase wrapped in fleece cannot be easy.

When parliament reconvenes I really, really, really want Starmar to pull up Rishi over his self proclaimed ‘champion of what the people want’ and giving ‘a voice to the silent majority’ but refusing to call a general election until the last possible moment. Either he’s confident in his public support or he’s not and there is only one way to prove it.

stop stalling the country being effectively governed.

Latest YouGov MRP poll

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1775531272594395421?s=20

New YouGov MRP – Labour set to win more than 400 seats

Labour: 403 (+201 since GE2019)
Conservatives: 155 (-210)
Lib Dems: 49 (+38)
SNP: 19 (-29)
Plaid: 4 (=)
Greens: 1 (=)
Reform UK: 0 (=)

Absolutely
I think I’m getting so frustrated with the farce of a prime minister & the knobhead ministers who are in the main dreadful people with such abhorrent views & the endless stoking of division I just want functioning adults who’s default isn’t lying or scheming & rinsing us in government, I so wish the Tories will be obliterated & that they squabble plot & lie between themselves rather than the country bearing the brunt of such incompetent nitwits.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/sunak-threatens-to-leave-european-court-if-rwanda-plan-blocked/
making sure that we can control illegal migration is more important than membership of a foreign court because it's fundamental to our sovereignty as a country

Ffs.

"Take back control".....

Boat crossings weren't a thing before 2010. Give him his due, he definitely did more than Johnson, Truss, the lettuce, not sure about May though. He can't shut up about his illegal- migrants bill. He thinks doing more of the wrong thing is amazing, doesn't have the intelligence to stop and evaluate.

ECHR ? Foreign court??? Sunak is really is just playing to the Reform gallery.... its an International Court, of which the UK is a leading member.

I wonder if he refers to NATO as a "Foreign defence organisation" ?

Plus its his desire to leave the EU which is the real reason we have so many boat crossings.

The more he plays to Reform, the more he loses Conservative voters who do understand the importance of the EHCR.

Yes its almost as if he and the Tories have learned nothing from 1997, the further they move to the right, the more they lose support.

I really do hope the next GE sees the end of the Tory party & they go the way of the old Liberals in the 20s.. ..... post war, the Cons have caused so much damage to the UK, with N.Sea oil, we should have Europes best public services etc, instead, we ve the worst.

Adam Wagner summing things up -

The British courts blocked the Rwanda scheme - particularly the Supreme Court, primarily on the basis of the Refugee Convention not the European Convention on Human Rights

The European Court of Human rights played a supporting role at the outset of the litigation

But anyway, the ECHR is a useful bogeyman for the government to blame for their bad, unworkable policy which was always likely to fail.

Election manifesto: “Vote for us: we’ll take away your rights!”

Or in 3 catchy words to fit on a podium:

REMOVE YOUR RIGHTS!

x.com/adamwagner1/status/1775628970198815115?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Never mind the GFA.

Did anyone see the video on the Government's official twitter where Sunak 'suprised' people with offering financial advice?

It got community noted saying

It is illegal to give financial advice without appropriate qualifications and accreditation. Penalties may range from a warning to a criminal charge.

Rishi Sunak is not currently accredited to give financial advice, according to the FCA:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68729302

I would suggest also the more the Conservative party lose long term conservative voters who are moderately centre right, but consider themselves to be compassionate, the harder it will be for the party to win them back.

So no surprises we've been making money out of the crisis in Gaza. Well, not the country obviously just Tory donors presumably raking it in under our name.

I think they are still trying to get the Leaver's vote with the whole scrap the ECHR - the likes of Farage were in rhapsodies about scrapping it all through the referendum. All that pesky red tape meaning we can't torture people and "send them back where they came from". It also ties in nicely with the speech about not protesting as it is the only reason we are legally allowed to protest on the streets.

Also Farage wanted the laws on owning a handgun to be relaxed in the UK, which is tied into the ECHR as you currently need ownership to be double authorised.

I'm also interested in how CETS ties in with our weapon sales in a genocide...https://rm.coe.int/1680077d97 which might be another reason Rishi is suddenly being vocal about it.

I see we're also about to get some more Brexit benefits as the new import tariffs kick in after the grace period the EU gave us to adjust, just what is needed in the COL crisis. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68726852

He is so finished it's like watching a dead man walking. The rest of the zombies are currently thinking whether they should take over.

Some say June for a leadership election. They have totally lost it. Just now eating each other because there is nothing else left.

Has Sunak forgotten that recently, was it last week, he was saying that Britian was a country based on Christian values.

Values presumably of intolerance, bigotry, hatred of others and lack of rights for people.

Apparently the new Conservatives are going for the religion angle aka Christianity like the American right. This was in the FT. I think it suits some like Badenoch or indeed Gove (but don't reckon he will survive the election).

I think it's a loser ticket to go religious. I want less religious cant in politics

Yes, I don’t think it’ll play here. American politics was already heavily linked to religion (despite alleged separation of church and state) so it’s easier to ramp it up. Britain is a less church oriented society and we are used to non-religious politicians.

Especially since immigrants are disproportionately likely to be religious. We'd have an even more secular population than we do now if we had lower immigration.

The different arms of the attempted culture war would cancel each other out. Its a non starter here.