Thread 40: Sunak -failure to plan, or planning to fail?

[DuncinToffee]

Or will the fuckitty fuckwits please fuck off

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credits notonthestairs and dontcallmelen

If it's like the 2020 US election we'll need several per day!

There's been plenty of speculation, and plenty of jeering from some, about the demise of the Labour Party in the recent, and not so recent past.

Anyone can set up a political party, can say what/propose what they want in this country, as far as I know. But if those things don't attract votes 🤷🏻‍♀️....

I get really ill if I don't sleep.

You'll have a lot of catchup reading to do... But don't worry, we will share our Schadenfreude with you.

Oh, I do hope so.

They've got a little list

Tory grassroots draws up fresh deselection hit list of MPs | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

Ms Bullivant argued it was time to instil “proper conservative values” because the country was “calling out for this”.
She said: “Poll after poll shows Britain is crying out for conservatism.
“It’s time to start flexing our muscles and steering our party back to proper conservatism.
“We want MPs who promote proper conservative values: free speech, free markets, free people, low taxes, small government, Brexit and Britain!
“Poll after poll shows the country is also calling out for this.
“If the MPs aren't performing then the members will sack them.
“It's time to save our party and our country.”

Poll after poll shows the country is also calling out for this.

Not any poll I’ve seen. Anyone else seen them?

Are they seriously referring to Laura Trott as too Liberal? Am I missing something, or have I misunderstanding the article?

"For too long there have been concerns the Conservative Party’s candidates department have been weeding out actual centre-right conservatives and pushing liberal centrists.”"

I don't think the membership reflects the nature of past Conservative voters.

The article also suggests she's a political heavyweight. I wouldn't take it too seriously 😁

Yes, I think there's a disconnect between members and your average Conservative voter.

The article really seems to be plugging Conservative Post - a "grassroots organisation" that seems to involve Lord Cruddas & Brexiteer David Campbell Bannerman amongst others.
I've looked but I can't tell you who funds it (I'd assume Cruddas but who knows)
They organised a Bring Back Boris campaign - probably why they've listed Costa to get rid of as he was on the Privileges Committee.

The membership is in proper swivel eyes loon territory. They are still upset we got rid of Truss. If they think the membership represent what trad Conservative voters want they are going to be out in the wind for a while.

Oh, my heart just breaks.

Did anyone else see the conservatives party political broadcast?

I'm just putting together a complaint to the BBC as it is full of shit, despite that being one thing it didn't mention. Surely they should be somewhat factual and steer away from causing division and hatred.

Same. If it were close, Labour might be pushed towards PR. If the current system gives them an overwhelming majority, why would they?

Yes, they can piss right off with their non british nationals buying houses

Why isn't there any kind of accountability for these things? Load of lies.

I’m assuming they don’t mean Russians. Those ‘non-British nationals’ are fine.

This is one of the things that worries me at the moment about the incoming Labour government. I'm certainly not voting Tory, and I'm not sure that they're doing a great job, but how much real experience of 'foreign affairs' do Labour have? And there are A LOT of foreign affairs at the moment that they'll be thrown straight into on day 1.

The Tories have amassed a fair bit of experience in foreign affairs over the last 14 years and they're still shit at it. Labour don't need to worry.

Given the Tories track record in foreign affairs, from cosying up to chinese and russian dictators, failing to rebuild relations with european allies and even not funding defence of the nation correctly after Ukraine, i'd not have any concerns about Labour.

The civil servants in govt departments will still be there and opposition politicians do keep up to speed with world events.

But the main thing in regard to your question is that the UK is a bit player, we are no longer in any political bloc, our military is poor & we ve slashed foreign aid.

Labours biggest issue is going to be domestic, council funding, roads, health, education, skills, immigration, real affordable housing - esp to rent.

Atm they don't appear to have any publicly available plans to address these issues & yes i have looked at their website, its just a series of wish lists.

@Alexandra2001 I don't blame Labour for not putting up policy details yet. The Tories have form for nicking their ideas, which will muddy the waters.

Yes i get that.... its the direction of travel and the distinct lack of hope e.g Starmer said v recently that councils wont get any more money from a new Lab govt for at least 5 years.
Nor any more money for the NHS or education.

So thats a compounded 25% increase in council tax, that'll take my bill on a band C bungalow to £3000 plus.

More crumbling schools, more potholes, less social care, longer waiting lists....

I know the Tories have totally screwed the country and will ramp this up over the next few months but if Lab are to avoid despondency and another tory govt in 5 years time, they need to be a lot more adventurous as we approach manifesto time.