Thread 40: Sunak -failure to plan, or planning to fail?

[DuncinToffee]

Or will the fuckitty fuckwits please fuck off

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credits notonthestairs and dontcallmelen

I’ve caught up with the thread backwards (I’m a special snowflake ) so sorry for getting late but I’m on the fence with your comment.

I think it would be wrong not to point at Brexit when it’s blatantly the cause of problems. I’m also not sure that reclassifying it as a ‘conservative Brexit’ is completely fair. Pro-Brexit/pro-remain both had cross party support but I think it’s undeniable that the Tories have, in recent years, morphed completely into a pro-Brexit party. I don’t see a scenario where a more moderate or compromising lead could have been taken following how it was sold to the country. And that’s what Brexit, if it was ever going to work in our favour, needed. It needed diplomacy that is beyond the talents of any recent front bench alumni.

I voted remain, but I can absolutely see how I could have been persuaded. The EU parliament still have some questions around their shady accounts and I don’t think a separation had to be as painful as it has been with a lot of repackaging to make mediocre achievements look like huge gains.

I didn’t get a vote in the Scottish referendum, but the same issues were highlighted for me. There was an awful lot of fantasy without much substance. I wanted long boring documents detailing nuts and bolts that would have to be addressed and there was nothing. It was like handing a bunch of randoms some bricks, tiles and cement and expecting them to build a mansion.

maybe I agree with you more than I realised, but labelling it as anything other than a Brexiters brexit isn’t quite right I think.

Halfon stepping down at the next election. Maj of 14,000. I had thought of Harlow as a safe seat (if somebody wanted a chicken run) but I wonder if that's correct.

I think it would be wrong not to point at Brexit when it’s blatantly the cause of problems. I’m also not sure that reclassifying it as a ‘conservative Brexit’ is completely fair. Pro-Brexit/pro-remain both had cross party support but I think it’s undeniable that the Tories have, in recent years, morphed completely into a pro-Brexit party. I don’t see a scenario where a more moderate or compromising lead could have been taken following how it was sold to the country. And that’s what Brexit, if it was ever going to work in our favour, needed. It needed diplomacy that is beyond the talents of any recent front bench alumni.

It's not reclassification, it's recognition of the fact that conservative Brexit is what we got. While other forms of Brexit could theoretically exist and there have long been leftist critiques of the EU, none of them were available to us in the circumstances. Because the Brexit campaign and vote that we had empowered the right wing of the Conservative Party. The Tories own this and it's primarily their fault.

I don't blame brexit - per se - for the problems.

The problems were the lies told as propaganda.

The problems then increased when they put a remainer in charge of brexit who allowed themselves to be driven by the erg and right wing of the party without really thinking about what they were doing.

Add to that a pandemic and wars.

I fully blame the Tory party for not taking the lead in this. Not making decisions for the benefit of the country. But mainly not listening to the electorate. It's very clear right now and has been for some time what the people are saying. But rather than listen and respond they spend their time telling us what we want - which is entirely different.

James Heappey too:-

To reiterate standing down as ministers too.

Am I right that they are the ones that last year were adamant that women and girls should have less education than men and boys, much to the upset of some posters?

One of those recently referred to MP’s is mine.

I’d like to think my barrage of ‘wtf’ emails have contributed to his decision.

Is it 6 months they have to be stood down as ministers in order to go onto their next lucrative job, so they are anticipating a late October/early November election?

Cynical? Me? Surely not?

My based-on-nothing-but-bias is that its prime pickings for a reform candidate.

So cynical. So likely the truth.

Six months from now is 26 Spetember. Which is a Thursday.

Number 63

Hunt was apparently hinting at October so that would tie in.

Just after University students start, leaving them without time to register their vote in their new place of residence

and that would make Heappey no 64

No. They absolutely did not say that, you just hate stay at home mums and should reconsider your priorities. Women who choose to leave education are true patriots who are Building Back Britain.

The falling birthrate in the indigenous British population is well known to be the biggest threat humanity is facing. Thankfully JRM is saving us by repeatedly having babies 🤮

Specifically Miriam Cates.

https://x.com/JackElsom/status/1772636145148465436?s=20

The final two of David Neal's immigration inspection reports have just been published.

One - on the scramble to hire overseas care workers - is pretty damning.

Includes the line that 275 care workers were given sponsorship visas for a care home that didn't exist!

Home Office disputes this in its response.

It said the care home did exist, but the sponsorships were issued without their knowledge

Thankfully JRM is saving us by repeatedly having babies 🤮

Reported. We shouldn't have to read such filth.

Gosh that was confusing . Adam replying to Jess in the style of Jess.

External posters intruders could join in in all sincerity and we might not spot the difference.

Sorry, I didn't mean to restart the brexit debate.

Was an interesting discussion L1ttledrummer I always lived in hope that eventually sense would prevail looking back I think I was deluded drunk & hallucinating actually probably all three.

Oh dear god. Jonathon Gullis appointed Deputy Chairman of the Conservatives.

Can they sink any lower with this? He is a neanderthal. They must be desperately scraping the barrel

Wtf?

It's fine L1ttledrummer, Brexit is a big part of this shitshow and a lot of people are right to feel betrayed by the lies.

It could have worked if there had been a plan, an actual worked out plan.