Angela Rayner - political hypocrite, yes or no?

[Agnes12]

Whatever the ins and outs, Angela says she is “proud” to have bought her council house 20 years ago under RTB. Angela has been a long-term Labour supporter and has come up through the Labour/Trade Union movement. I find it quite surprising that she has then bought a state owned asset, later sold at a profit.

I have never agreed with RTB but recognise for if you are given that opportunity you are probably going to take it. However for someone who purports to be a socialist isn’t this a tad hypocritical? Or doesn’t it matter and she should be allowed to take advantage of the scheme as she qualified?

Yes of course it's fine, I should have said for CGT purposes, as long as if you sell one you pay appropriate taxes, you can have as many properties as you want

No, but I think she’s right about the ownership - if AR did live there, then it’s fine, if she didn’t it’s probable that CGT would be due. I’m not an accountant though so 🤷‍♀️
The point I’d made was about it not matter ing if she lived in it or not -it does. But she said she did and I’m inclined to believe until it’s shown otherwise.

You’re still not right. If a couple live apart in separate residences in their individual names no CGT is payable on either property. It would be if they lived together and one property was let to someone else.

@BobnLen

"as long as if you sell one you pay appropriate taxes, you can have as many properties as you want"

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Except she didn't pay CCGT and has confirmed this on her twitter feed.

@cardibach

"The point I’d made was about it not matter ing if she lived in it or not -it does. But she said she did and I’m inclined to believe until it’s shown otherwise."

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This is what she is claiming that from the date of her marriage she lived separately to her husband and also lived separately. And therefore avoided paying CGT.

Whilst this is of course entirely possible, you have to admit it would be highly unusual for a newly married woman to live separately to her husband and then as a mother to live separately from her newborn children. All of which avoids paying CGT.

Rayner married in 2010 (bought house in 2007) split up less than 10 years later..... maybe living apart but married isn't a recipe for a long n happy marriage?

No its not "highly unusual" around 10% of couples do similar.

If she has utility etc bills in her name at that address, how is anyone going to prove otherwise? so long as she spent the majority of the time at this address, its impossible and a waste of police time.

All seems a bit of red herring to distract

It might be highly unusual but it’s not impossible. Just because her children's births were registered at their father’s address doesn’t mean they lived there. Are we sure the kids’ dad was living where he said he was?

Wait for the Labour manifesto.
Go to Labour Party website, read what they say.
Agree that Labour have to provide policies but if you had a ‘friend’ aka the tories who constantly lied, never pulled their weight, gave money to friends but claimed to be skint and fiddled money off you, would you stay with them or concentrate on other friends who actually had a history of being relatively decent people ?
It’s like a weird Stockholm syndrome situation. Can’t let go of the abusive partner because of fear of the outside world and an alternative life.

I was grossing over 300k and taking home less than 50k before tax. I don’t consider that greedy. The previous contract allowed us to treat as many patients as we liked. The current contract is very limiting. And there is no facility to treat out of hours unless it’s privately charged.
Most of my peers have given up.

If that was PT and in the 2000s not too shabby, how do you take home 50k before tax?

But my point stands, a typical dentist earns a great deal of money, a solely private dentist can expect to take home 110 to 140k.

Personally i think they are worth every penny BUT i do think they should do something for kids teeth, free checkup and cleans perhaps at cost fillings but they don't and thats the bit i think that is greedy.

Sounds like a loophole that should be closed if you ask me ;)

They should all be closed.

Distract from what? Numerous people have raised concerns and these require a full investigation, as they would for an MP of any political party.

Of course Rayner is a hypocrite. Some people may be surprised to learn that the Tories don’t actually have a monopoly on political hypocrisy. Labour is, if anything even worse. Remember Diane Abbott sending her son to a private school then playing the race card when she was challenged about it?

Is that the best you can do - Diane Abbott 20 years ago!

Yeah sure they're just as bad as the Tories 🙄

"The race card"?

Abbot get more hate mail directed at her than any other MP, do you think her kids would fare any better?

What i'd like to see is evidence against Rayner but so far, all there is, well, nothing at all.

This is just pre Covid and full time. There are very high staffing costs along with very niche expensive materials. The cost per year just for me to step through the door, indemnity, registration, CQG and general insurance was around 10k.
Post Covid costs have spiralled like most industries. Fortunately I sold my practice the year before the pandemic so now work part time with a much better life work balance. With my pension I am actually earning far more, should have got out years ago to be honest.
I’m self employed so my profit is my income which I then pay tax and NI on hence gross profit before tax.

Yes. When she was challenged about it by a journalist she said something along the lines of “black mums will go to the wall for their kids”.

That constitutes playing the race card in an attempt to shut down legitimate criticism of blatant hypocrisy.

What i'd like to see is evidence against Rayner but so far, all there is, well, nothing at all.

Same. However we do have

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-says-its-not-relevant-to-say-where-she-pays-tax-overseas

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/20/nadhim-zahawi-agreed-on-penalty-to-settle-tax-bill-worth-millions#:~:text=Experts%20estimate%20the%20tax%20due,due%20to%20%C2%A34.8m.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-hunt-avoids-100000-stamp-12415305

Doesn’t look much like attempting to shut down criticism to me, let alone “playing the race card” - disgraceful, racist phrase.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/nov/01/uk.schools

Nonsense.

Abbott attempted to use her ethnicity to shut down criticism of her behaviour which even the Guardian described as ‘indefensible’. That is what’s known as ‘playing the race card’. It’s an entirely fair description of what she did.

You aren't making it better.....

She described it as indefensible herself. She didn’t use her ethnicity as a defence at all, she mentioned it in passing. Do you seriously think the rest of us can’t read?

@BIossomtoes
@Alexandra2001

"What i'd like to see is evidence against Rayner but so far, all there is, well, nothing at all."

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Well the evidence is:
She made a profit on the sale of her house
She didn't pay any capital gains tax
This is because she claimed she lived separately to her husband in that house after getting married
She also claimed that she lived separately to her children after they were born
Anecdotal statements from her neighbours at her house say she wasn't living there but her brother was.
Anecdotal statements from the neighbours of her husband's house say she was living there
A married couple can only have one principal private residence unless they have separated.

So it is either a case of:
A) she got married and immediately separated from her husband, but somehow still had children by him but then didn't live with her newborn children or
B) she kept her name on the electoral register in order to falsely claim that she was still living there in order to avoid CGT.

Either way it needs to be investigated by HMRC