Angela Rayner - political hypocrite, yes or no?

[Agnes12]

Whatever the ins and outs, Angela says she is “proud” to have bought her council house 20 years ago under RTB. Angela has been a long-term Labour supporter and has come up through the Labour/Trade Union movement. I find it quite surprising that she has then bought a state owned asset, later sold at a profit.

I have never agreed with RTB but recognise for if you are given that opportunity you are probably going to take it. However for someone who purports to be a socialist isn’t this a tad hypocritical? Or doesn’t it matter and she should be allowed to take advantage of the scheme as she qualified?

I'm a Labour supporter and think RTB was a dreadful policy. But, as other have said, the decisions made 20 years ago should not necessarily be used to judge you now.

I also think anyone who claims they're a labour supporter and then sends their DC to a private school is a massive hypocrite. Diane Abbott went down hugely in my estimation when she sent her son to a private school.

Alan Johnson is a similar case. Whatever you think of him politically, he has an amazing background story.

The RTB is more damaging.

The near destruction of the social rented market is a key, if not the key, factor in the shocking and unaffordable housing market we have now. People no longer being able to access social housing, led to people having to move to the private sector, which shot up rents in the private sector, which led to people seeking to retain a house when they moved ( say in with a partner) rather than sell it, or buying investment properties, which means less homes available to buy for owner occupiers.

And of course, the private sector is now made up of lots of landlords with just one or a few properties, and the housing is insecure as landlords sell up as suits them, meaning tenants need to move.

The RTB has been an utter disaster and we are all literally paying the cost of it, through the generations, in exorbitant housing costs.

I think if this is the worst thing they can drag up about her then she's probably alright

Mumsnet is not an academic journal. It’s the equivalent of a chat in the pub with your mates. Do you fully research every topic before you chat about it with your mates?

I agree but is typical of the lack of thought and comprehension these days. No wonder conspiracy theories take hold.

That's really sad you don't support any party. The key way you can influence society is by voting, the parties certainly aren't all the same. If you get out of the Internet mud slinging and look on their websites you might find actually you'd prefer one version over another.

I'm really upset that the aggressive approach to democracy embedded during Brexit has led so many people to think "they are all as bad as each other". Just not true.

As pp said, no. She bought the house in 2007 before she was an MP.

If she was still renting the council house, she'd be getting flak for that, instead.

Tories are desperate for dirt to throw.

It is hardly research. 30 seconds googling will tell you when AR bought the house.

Where will they go when there's no private schools?

I have found this too.

Also those who proudly declare they ‘are the only person they know who actually wants to pay more tax’ and then slink away to their accountants to come up with a wheeze so they don’t lose their child benefit payments, or are outraged at proposals they their private sector job may lose their public sector pension.

This is exactly the point.

Nothing wrong with RTB, as long as the sold stock was replaced. It wasn't.

Why is it "really sad"? I always vote. I vote for the party at each election who I think is the least bad. Because I think they are all awful. I'm not saying they're all the same. I didn't say "they are all as bad as each other". I said they're all awful. I will vote for the party whose policies I most agree with.

But she’s just starting a chat. The purpose of MN is to chat. You don’t have to be right or have googled first, just as people don’t in RL, when they say ‘hey. What do you think of’ The fake scorn of ‘oh my god, you didn’t google it’ doesn’t fit here.

Just not true. Most Labour supporters I know use state education.

It is outrageous that the conservatives, many of whom are phenomenally wealthy, could criticise a single mum from a working class background for making a relatively modest profit on her house sale.

The standard of politicians in this country is at an all time low. It does not matter if you vote Blue Labour or Fake Tory. They are essentially the same. Only the rhetoric is different.

When The Fake Tories get booted out you don't honestly think that The likes of Rayner are going to be running the country do you? The people that are running it now will be running it then.

Civil Servants.

The standard of our Civil Service is also at an all time low.

Really? They must be outliers then.

Around 5.9% of all children at school in the UK are attending private schools. There are just over 554,000 pupils at UK independent schools. There are 16.9% more pupils in independent schools today than there were in 1990.

10.2 million people voted Labour in the last election.

So, most Labour voters don't send their children to private school. Neither do most ordinary Tory voters either, tbf.

Edited as found more up to date info.

tutorful.co.uk/blog/private-school-statistics-uk-independent-schools

It is true. It is my experience. You don't get to come on and say I'm lying because your experience is different.

I'm not saying every Labour supporter is a hypocrite or every Labour sends their kids to private school. I'm sharing my experience of the Labour supporters that I know. You may have an entirely different experience and all the Labour supporters you know help in homeless centres and donate money to charity. The ones that I know do not. They say one thing and do another.

I really wish people's comprehension was better. I didn't say most Labour supporters. I said most Labour supporters THAT I KNOW.

Why will there be no Private Schools? are the /tories going to wreck the economy that badly that no one will have any money?

Its not Labour policy to ban them nor has it even been discussed by the shadow cabinet?

Replacing stock as it was sold was never going to be achievable or realistic was it?

It’s also daft. If something is a valuable social asset, you hold onto it. Not sell and continually try to play catch up in replacing.

And actually, the biggest driver of entrenching inequality is inherited wealth. Which more home ownership encourages.

And whilst I am on it, those who most like to talk about ‘acheiving based on your merits’ don’t actually mean it as they would abolish inherited wealth if they did. But they are often those with a lot to gain when they inherit…

I assume you live in a wealthy area, then.Do most of the Tory voters send their kids to private school too?

Why would it be unrealistic?

Council sells House x for £x amount and uses that money to build a new council house.

Some of the old council house estates were awful, RTB change them, i'm not against it but the discounts were too large and no replacement builds.

Oh. Which party are you planning to vote for? I'm assuming not labour

I did say they must be outliers then presented stats to show that.

I really wish...comprehension etc.