Confused about Trans and NonBinary

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I am going to get terminologies wrong here... soz in advance.
Friends gown up daughter-at-birth has recently had top surgery to become trans. She has used pronouns 'they/them' for a while and continues to consider themselves non-binary.
I don't understand how that works. Surely if you are trans you have changed from she/her to he/him not she/her to they/them.
Does one transition to non-binary?
Genuin question...

You are so far gone in the cult it's scary. And so very, very deeply misinformed. It is self harm/mutilation. Evidence shows the dodgy and debunked 'study' that says it's less than one percent is WRONG! One hospital had the detrans rate at 40%. I understand that rate is climbing.

It is not 'twansphobia' to state that self harm is self harm. You are delusional and in denial, and deeply programmed. You sound so programmed and deeply far gone you have no ability for self-reflection, critical thinking, research or basic research.

No it is twee and stupid and hides the true extent of such a serious operation. It is a double mastectomy - why do you want to hide this fact?

Assigned at birth is inclusive language that a lot of people use. I don't understand your problem with it

It isn't inclusive language. It was used for a minuscule number of people with sexual development disorders before being co opted by the trans lobby.

No one is assigned anything at birth.
There is no magic inner gender essence. It's just sexist sex role stereotypes without which gender ideology falls
apart.

Assigned at birth is inclusive language that a lot of people use. I don't understand your problem with it.

It's wrong.
I was asked at the 20 week scan of both my pregnancies if I'd like to know the sex of my baby.
There was no assigning at birth going on.

I wonder what the proportion of people over thirty is who believe in 'gender identity' and kids needing to modify their bodies to match their gender. I bet the vast majority of believers are young and have grown up with it as an unquestionable faith.

I am in my 40s and believe in gender identity.

I also believe there are issues with self ID etc.

Its not one or the other.

I think it's possible to accept others believe in gender identity and limiting themselves to the social constructs of they society they happen to live in, in the same way we accept others believe in gods or conspiracy theories. When that belief leads to removal of healthy body parts then that's beyond concerning.

@SirChenjins I agree. If people want to believe in gender identity I really don't care. I DO care when they insist that we all participate and use their belief as a bssis for laws or for removing safeguarding.

And you are free to believe in your religion - but you are not free to expect others to believe in it and neither should it be taught in schools as some sort of fact. It is a belief and that is all.

Absolutely

I'm interested in this. You say that there are issues with self-identification but in gender ideology there is no other way of identifying. It's all self-identification. There is absolutely no way of identifying whether a man is actually a woman inside except for him saying that he feels that way.

I'm trying to figure out the differences between how you and I think @Mintyfreshtulips . You don't think that TWAW and neither do I. You acknowledge that there are issues with self-identification as do I.

But you also "believe in gender ideology". Whereas I think it is misogynistic and relies on harmful regressive stereotypes. Do you disagree? When you say you believe in it does that mean that you believe a man can really he a woman "inside"? Or that if you don't conform to the stereotypes of your sex that you must be the opposite sex or non-binary?

Of course you don't have to answer any of this. I am just intrigued by your stance and trying to figure out where you're coming from.

Thats a really good question.

I am going to reply to this later so I can give it some proper thought and articulate the response :)

Thanks, I really appreciate that 😊

That's the problem. People who believe in genderism are often very zealous about it. It's their way or nothing. Recently there was an American teacher who made a video in which he challenged a student to prove JK Rowling was transphobic. As a result, genderists (including some from other countries) have been actively trying to get him fired. There's also been a case of a girl who identified as non-binary, who died after an attack at school. Genderists forced her family to refer to her as 'them' and use her adopted name in the tributes and at the funeral. That is akin to extreme religious zealotry in my opinion.

Did you have any further thoughts @Mintyfreshtulips ?