Confused about Trans and NonBinary

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I am going to get terminologies wrong here... soz in advance.
Friends gown up daughter-at-birth has recently had top surgery to become trans. She has used pronouns 'they/them' for a while and continues to consider themselves non-binary.
I don't understand how that works. Surely if you are trans you have changed from she/her to he/him not she/her to they/them.
Does one transition to non-binary?
Genuin question...

So if you genuinely feel neither male or female and you have your boobs off doesn't that make you more masculine?

They just make it up as they go along. "Non binary" is entirely meaningless, so it can be said to mean anything.

I can't believe someone has actually mentioned breast cancer here as a way of normalising medicalised, politicised self mutilation.

It's not transphobic to think that people with gender dysphoria deserve better help than people cheering them on to self-harm.

i can't believe someone has actually mentioned breast cancer here as a way of normalising medicalised, politicised self mutilation

nor can I. It is so offensive.

Yes I find this upsetting as a BC survivor. Much like someone who had their arm amputated for traumatic medical reasons would feel about someone who decided they felt "more like themselves" and got their healthy arm chopped off.

can you copy and paste or quote the transphobic posts please?
Yep, thought not...

The internet is a dangerous place. All just all feels like legalised FGM and/or MGM. Women especially have been made to feel guilty about their bodies and looks for decades - hair colour, weight, breast size etc and now it has come to this.

Nope. We’re just intolerant of bullshit.

Also, having had a mastectomy due to BC, this doesn't make me any less of a woman and I find it offensive when gender ideologists suggest that it does.

All of them? It would take far too long! Plenty to be found on this thread as examples.

As ever, report them to MN. They don’t tolerate transphobia, and they’d delete them.
Unless you’re just talking rubbish of course.

I've never seen a TRA having a "reasoned" discussion about this because the entire ideology is irrational and inherently contradictory.

Are you confusing posts that disagree with your perspective with transphobia?

AKA ‘I have no real argument.’

You beat me to that response.

Surgery doesn’t miraculously “transition” you into anything else.

it’s a money-making ideology which originated from big Pharma in the US, so sad that so many people have fallen for it and their healthy bodies have been mutilated.

It’s so sad. People with issues with their body need help with their mental health, not surgery. Removing healthy body tissue because they’re victims of this ideology is horrifying.

You can’t make sense of any of this because it’s not logical.

Non-binary is such nonsense. No one can be neither male or female simply based on their feelings. Our bodies are inherently male or female.
If feelings force people to have life altering surgery on healthy body parts, those people need compassionate therapy not irreversible medical operations.

Yes, I was being facetious 😂But it's also true I think. Non-binary obviously makes no sense, but we are not supposed to say so, or explore other possible explanations for the significant distress that OP's friends daughter has clearly suffered, or do anything at all other than accept the explanation provided and use the prescribed language.

Wasn't trying to stir anything up. I am genuinely quite confused about the trans AND non binary thing.
I guess I should have just asked that question and not thrown in the boobsoff surgery.
I totally agree with the person who said it's like the new anorexia. I really believe this. Like a mental disconnect between brain and body...

Not trying to be difficult but a young woman shouldn't have to have a radical double mastectomy, removing healthy breast tissue in the process to make their body 'look like they feel'. We are our bodies ffs.

It's a fucking disgrace that a surgeon has performed such a surgery.

And any adult who encourages this is evil in my opinion. We are our bodies. No one should have to have harmful surgeries to be something they are not.

Therapy to address body issues would be way better and less harmful.

Non binary males are not chopping their cocks off are they, funny that!

It doesn’t make sense OP because it is nonsense.
Stonewall and other lobby groups insist that the number of people that come under the trans umbrella is so wide, it contains pretty much anyone.

If thinking people shouldn't chop off healthy bodies parts in the name of an ideology makes a person a transphobe then so be it.

I think very little of the followers of gender ideology. Especially the ones who encourage children to follow such regressive harmful nonsense.