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Looks like the coward died in the Thames [edit by MNHQ]

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catagoryA · 09/02/2024 17:14

Police think Abdul Shokoor Ezedi "died in the Thames", having last been seen leaning over Chelsea bridge.

Couldn't face the disability and disfigurement that he had attempted to inflict on helpless girls, but rebounded onto himself , maybe.

Couldn't face justice - coward

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68255937

Clapham attack latest: Police believe Abdul Shokoor Ezedi's body in the Thames - BBC News

It is likely Abdul Shokoor Ezedi died after going into the river at Chelsea Bridge, police say, but his remains are yet to be found.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68255937

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EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:28

Flamme · 10/02/2024 14:27

Accessing those networks takes a hell of a lot of money. What evidence is there that he had access to that?

Why money? What are you basing this on

Flamme · 10/02/2024 14:29

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:25

Of course it’s not ‘ludicrous’. You are very insular

I linked below cultural reality of the crime, which is increasing. Have a read beyond your own parameters and understand why it happens.

Which cultural influence did the criminal grow up with?

Perhaps you should try to explain what it is about people who commit acid attacks that you say makes them so different from other assailants. Linking to one article about four people doesn't achieve that.

LizBennet · 10/02/2024 14:29

You have to pay money to be smuggled, know the right connections.

Or do you think smugglers are doing it for the good of their fellow men?

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:31

Flamme · 10/02/2024 14:29

Perhaps you should try to explain what it is about people who commit acid attacks that you say makes them so different from other assailants. Linking to one article about four people doesn't achieve that.

Edited

There were multiple articles in one link, read them or Google is freely available to you

I understand you are coming it from the perspective of your culture but read a bit more to see why it happens and the easy ‘they usually kill themselves after’ doesn’t apply

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:32

LizBennet · 10/02/2024 14:29

You have to pay money to be smuggled, know the right connections.

Or do you think smugglers are doing it for the good of their fellow men?

He was already here and had clearly paid the money. Do you think there’s no underground connections once here?

I’m not even saying he’s dead or alive but some of these assumptions aren’t based in fact - eg he is likely to kill himself after or that no one would help.

blueshoes · 10/02/2024 14:35

Aworldofmyown · 10/02/2024 08:47

If he jumped in the Thames it's very unlikely the body won't eventually appear.
In a book that talks about the Marchioness disaster they explain in depth about how the Thames 'works" with regards to bodies.
It May take a while but he will surface.

How does the Thames work with regards to bodies?

MySugarBabyLove · 10/02/2024 14:42

I’m not even saying he’s dead or alive but some of these assumptions aren’t based in fact - eg he is likely to kill himself after or that no one would help. any more than the assumptions that because there’s no body someone is obviously helping him and the met have made up this narative to be able to close the case.

Never mind that there are divers in the Thames tonight, I suppose the conspiracy theorists think they’re there to back up the “story” that he drowned in the Thames.

Incidentally, nowhere has it been stated that he killed himself, the only thing that has been stated is that he was seen leaning over the rail of the bridge and then disappeared. It’s entirely possible that he lost consciousness due to his injuries and fell. And once he fell in the Thames there would be no chance of survival.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:45

MySugarBabyLove · 10/02/2024 14:42

I’m not even saying he’s dead or alive but some of these assumptions aren’t based in fact - eg he is likely to kill himself after or that no one would help. any more than the assumptions that because there’s no body someone is obviously helping him and the met have made up this narative to be able to close the case.

Never mind that there are divers in the Thames tonight, I suppose the conspiracy theorists think they’re there to back up the “story” that he drowned in the Thames.

Incidentally, nowhere has it been stated that he killed himself, the only thing that has been stated is that he was seen leaning over the rail of the bridge and then disappeared. It’s entirely possible that he lost consciousness due to his injuries and fell. And once he fell in the Thames there would be no chance of survival.

He might be dead.

It still doesn’t make those pp claims more based in fact.

And it’s not ‘conspiracy’ to point out acid attacks have a cultural background and typical behaviour - which is not usually taking own life - and trafficking connections continue beyond just getting in to the U.K.

It’s not that hard to get the difference

BMW6 · 10/02/2024 14:47

blueshoes · 10/02/2024 14:35

How does the Thames work with regards to bodies?

I heard on BBC news that there's loads of crap underwater that a body can get snagged on, or carried far down river to the sea as currents are very strong in places.

I would think pretty much zero visibility underwater.

The body may float up as it decomposes, or it may never be found.

It is needle in haystack territory.

LizBennet · 10/02/2024 14:53

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:32

He was already here and had clearly paid the money. Do you think there’s no underground connections once here?

I’m not even saying he’s dead or alive but some of these assumptions aren’t based in fact - eg he is likely to kill himself after or that no one would help.

Do you think there are people willing to just whisk someone out of the country without paying them for the trouble?
No, I don’t believe he had the money to get out. He no doubt got the money together to get here from his home country.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:58

LizBennet · 10/02/2024 14:53

Do you think there are people willing to just whisk someone out of the country without paying them for the trouble?
No, I don’t believe he had the money to get out. He no doubt got the money together to get here from his home country.

Did I say out of the country?

There’s already trafficking into the U.K. and networks of people set up for work at the this end

It’s not documented but I doubt it’s small

Not saying this criminal is dead or alive but people seem a bit insular around culturally based attacks and how many people are here undocumented and able to exist already

Gymnopedie · 10/02/2024 15:14

I know confidence in the police generally is at an all time low, but the supermarkets must be running out of tinfoil based on this thread (and probably other forums/SM that I'm not on).

Boomboom22 · 10/02/2024 15:37

Yes, there is an assumption being made that everyone would agree his behaviour was awful and noone would help him which entirely ignores the significant minority of a culture that do believe this sort of punishment for breaking honour, / leaving the family/ being seen with another man is acceptable.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 15:41

Boomboom22 · 10/02/2024 15:37

Yes, there is an assumption being made that everyone would agree his behaviour was awful and noone would help him which entirely ignores the significant minority of a culture that do believe this sort of punishment for breaking honour, / leaving the family/ being seen with another man is acceptable.

@Boomboom22 yes it’s worth reading up on what the motivation is. Sadly (and terrifyingly) the crime is rising here in the U.K.

Aworldofmyown · 10/02/2024 16:07

blueshoes · 10/02/2024 14:35

How does the Thames work with regards to bodies?

The book explains it well over a whole chapter!!! Basically any search will probably be pointless as others have said due to river speed, debris etc. However, the body will appear eventually, it could take months and months, if he jumped we'll know.
The Thames is not the perfect place to dump a body that someone doesn't want found!!

Topofthemountain · 10/02/2024 16:51

Locally an individual walked into a river on New Year's Eve, their body has still not been recovered despite extensive searches very soon after.

If he entered the Thames it could be a long time before anything surfaces.

SquirmOfEels · 10/02/2024 17:00

blueshoes · 10/02/2024 14:35

How does the Thames work with regards to bodies?

This Guardian article is quite old, but might interest you

Watery grave | | The Guardian

SquirmOfEels · 10/02/2024 17:37

Here's today's BBC article about the police search of the Thames

Abdul Ezedi: Thames search for Clapham attack suspect - BBC News

They have found two bodies:

"A few hours into the operation it was confirmed that the bodies of two men had been recovered within an hour of each other - one near HMS Belfast, in the Tower Bridge area, and the other in Limehouse, east London. But police said neither of these were thought to be linked to the Ezedi investigation. Officers are working to confirm their identities"

blueshoes · 10/02/2024 17:44

Thanks for all the replies on when the Thames gives up its bodies. Grim reading.

The Guardian article says that many bodies get trapped in the U-bend around the Isle of Dogs. Maybe they will find him there.

SinnerBoy · 10/02/2024 18:59

Lovingthegrungerevival · Today 07:49

+ + you can die from hyperthermia in four minutes if you fall into a river + +

Highly unlikely. One can, however, die from hypothermia in the way described.

I can tell that you've never done a survival at sea course, hypothermia sets in very quickly; you can become hypothermic in less than 3 minutes. If you are able to stay afloat, it can be as little as 15 minutes until you die, longer if you are reasonably fit and have a bit of body fat.

You can go into cold shock immediately, it's common in drowning cases, where people go into the water and don't come up.

LizBennet · 10/02/2024 19:26

SinnerBoy · 10/02/2024 18:59

Lovingthegrungerevival · Today 07:49

+ + you can die from hyperthermia in four minutes if you fall into a river + +

Highly unlikely. One can, however, die from hypothermia in the way described.

I can tell that you've never done a survival at sea course, hypothermia sets in very quickly; you can become hypothermic in less than 3 minutes. If you are able to stay afloat, it can be as little as 15 minutes until you die, longer if you are reasonably fit and have a bit of body fat.

You can go into cold shock immediately, it's common in drowning cases, where people go into the water and don't come up.

I presume they’re being pedantic with the hypothermia/hyperthermia.

SinnerBoy · 10/02/2024 19:27

Ah, I just thought "typo," meh.

Flamme · 10/02/2024 23:54

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:28

Why money? What are you basing this on

Do you imagine they put themselves at massive risk for the fun of it?

Flamme · 10/02/2024 23:57

EasternStandard · 10/02/2024 14:32

He was already here and had clearly paid the money. Do you think there’s no underground connections once here?

I’m not even saying he’s dead or alive but some of these assumptions aren’t based in fact - eg he is likely to kill himself after or that no one would help.

Somehow I don't think people smugglers offer a free returns policy, especially for people who the police are busting a gut to find. He may have underground connections, but they would still want to be paid a lot.

EasternStandard · 11/02/2024 06:29

Flamme · 10/02/2024 23:57

Somehow I don't think people smugglers offer a free returns policy, especially for people who the police are busting a gut to find. He may have underground connections, but they would still want to be paid a lot.

You’re posting at stuff not written

No mention of returns