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If you are a sahm...

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spandauballroom · 04/02/2024 18:37

Is that how you explain what you do if someone asks?
What do you say if someone asks your job?

OP posts:
TheSnakeCharmer · 04/02/2024 21:16

I tell them that I'm a stay at home mother and that I love it. Kids are at school now, so they inevitably ask how I fill my time, which is always the fun part. I have lots of great hobbies, meet friends and do voluntary work.

cardibach · 04/02/2024 21:17

Bridgetjoneski · 04/02/2024 21:15

Well the ones who take care of their own children, do the school runs etc would be more full time than those who need to place the kids in the care of others.

Goady.
Working mothers do take care of their children. I’m not engaging with someone whose views are so blinkered and horrible though.

bakewellbride · 04/02/2024 21:19

@Bridgetjoneski I think @cardibach 's point was that even when you go to work you're still a mother. You still think of them / worry about them / are that child's mother. Would have to leave work suddenly if there was an emergency with the child. I think this is why 'full time mother' can be seen as offensive / tactless.

Bridgetjoneski · 04/02/2024 21:20

@cardibach but some mothers & fathers obviously are literally with their children full time. They don't rely on others (eg family or childminders /creche) to look after their children. So they are literally full time parents. It's not goady. It's fact.

cigarettesNalcohol · 04/02/2024 21:20

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/02/2024 21:04

All mothers are full time.

Quite. I don't cease to be a mother when I leave the house. Any more than SAHMs cease to be a mother when their children leave home.

Yes agree but what this poster meant is that you don't look after your kids full time.

FunionsRFun · 04/02/2024 21:22

Bridgetjoneski · 04/02/2024 21:20

@cardibach but some mothers & fathers obviously are literally with their children full time. They don't rely on others (eg family or childminders /creche) to look after their children. So they are literally full time parents. It's not goady. It's fact.

People "rely" on people to take care of them so they can work to keep a roof over their heads. A lot of this comes down to the haves and the have not.

cardibach · 04/02/2024 21:22

cigarettesNalcohol · 04/02/2024 21:20

Yes agree but what this poster meant is that you don't look after your kids full time.

So if a SAHM ever uses a baby sitter or nursery hours they cease to be a full time mum too, then?

ilovemyspace · 04/02/2024 21:23

@NewsN But you contribute nothing into society and the tax payer literally pays for you to choose to stay home?

@TTheMost I agree with everything you said apart from the tax payer paying carers allowance at a pittance, why is it on the tax payer to pay for this?

Remember who is bringing up and caring for the generation who will be funding your state pension when you retire / who will be funding for your care at home if you need it /who will be funding your care home fees if necessary /who will be paying taxes to keep the country running when you no longer pay taxes

It's a circle of life!

HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 04/02/2024 21:25

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Are you suggesting that there are no SAHMs in the USA and Canada? Nonsense!

Or are you referring to the fact that they, like most countries (but sadly not the UK anymore), allow married couples to submit joint tax returns and share allowances? But that tends to help families with a SAHP pay less tax, not more!

Not sure if you're poorly informed and confused, or just goady. I'd guess both.

catwithflowers · 04/02/2024 21:25

@OhBumBags and @TTheMost i don't feel I have to apologise in any way for not working now. I'm 60 years old, have worked full and part time for many years, lots of that as a single parent. I went back to work as a full time teacher when my eldest was 3 months old. I'm in a very fortunate position now that I can choose to some extent what I do. I know exactly how lucky I am to have a choice (I didn't for so many years). And I choose to be at home.

I don't claim any benefits, I don't ask for anything from the state but have contributed since I was 16. I live a full and happy life. I assume the term you are using the term unemployed in a derogatory sense, as if I am less of a person because I'm not actively seeking employment. If I want to describe myself as a housewife, I don't really care what other people you think.

bakewellbride · 04/02/2024 21:27

@cardibach exactly! I am a 'full time mother' (hate that phrase!) now and will be for as long as my children are alive and even when I go back to work because I gave birth to them and they have my dna! Pretty sure that's how it works! Dh works full time and I'm pretty sure he is still our kids' father 24/7. 🤔 It's just an insensitive/ tactless phrase. I don't know what is wrong with sahm 🤷🏻‍♀️

Bridgetjoneski · 04/02/2024 21:29

cardibach · 04/02/2024 21:22

So if a SAHM ever uses a baby sitter or nursery hours they cease to be a full time mum too, then?

Remember there are full time dads too. Or in my sisters case, her husband & her have conflicting schedules to ensure the kids have a full time parent at home.
Whatever works for families.
It suits many families to have a full time parent at home to take care of the kids, education, house chores, life admin etc.. Albeit these families are usually more affluent, may have inheritance, second property, investments..
Other families need two parents working to make ends meet & rely on family or other childcare options to take their place while they are at work.
Bottom line is all families do what works best for them.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/02/2024 21:29

cigarettesNalcohol · 04/02/2024 21:20

Yes agree but what this poster meant is that you don't look after your kids full time.

I think that what that poster meant was that WOHMs are worse. But what the euphemistic nonsense means is silly too. I pay childcare and babysitters, I vet them, I find them, all part of looking after my child. I am a full-time mother. Some of the time I'm doing it is when I'm also working. BTW I'm a FT worker as well and that's only 35 hours a week!

fitnessmummy · 04/02/2024 21:31

I would say I am a SAHM and it's not joke!! I work now and I think being a sahm was the hardest job ever!

LongLostSock · 04/02/2024 21:32

Baileyscream · 04/02/2024 20:59

Parents of children that don't have disabilities have no idea of the amount of work and stress and additional duties that goes into caring for a disabled child.

Toileting- most children are toilet trained by three. Some never are and require 'changing their whole lives'.

Feeding- some children never learn to feed themselves, every meal, every day.

Safety, some children require watching during all waking hours- their whole lives!

Sleep- some children require minimal sleep say 3/4/5 hours a night. There are medications thst can be given but not always and they don't always work. Some require turning regularly.

Therapies: physio, speech and occupational- every day, do many times per day for so long etc.

School- some children are do complex they can't have their needs met in school so they have to stay at home/ with their parents. This doesn't change when they become an adult. Some schools take children and can't cope, calling the parent to collect early most days or exclude.

Appointments- imagine dietitian, speech, ot, pt, school, doctors, hospital, social...... how are these to be managed while working? Not many employers are so understanding.

Paperwork- ehcp's, tribunals, pre-action letters, judicial reviews, annual reviews, dla, pip, blue badge applications, assessments etc

Fighting- for all of the above plus others not mentioned.

Parents of disabled children have a completely different experience to that of 'normal' children. So yes carers, which is why even the government pay carers allowance (a pittance and nowhere near that should be given).

Be grateful you don't understand this.

Well said!

AutumnColours9 · 04/02/2024 21:34

I work now but when I was a sahm I usually said I was fulltime mum and this is what is on DC birth certificate.

I loved my time at home but also enjoy working now and as a lone parent wouldn't have a choice anyhow!

cardibach · 04/02/2024 21:37

@AutumnColours9 ’full time mum’ is on your child’s birth certificate? That seems odd.

Beenaboutabit · 04/02/2024 21:41

gersatre · 04/02/2024 20:20

I say that I'm looking after my children. The sahm term doesn't work for us as we're out of the house 6 hours a day doing activities.

And therefore at home for 18 hours, but I guess most people who do paid work are at home longer than they are elsewhere

bakewellbride · 04/02/2024 21:43

@cardibach it's not odd, it's what they put on my kids' birth certificates too (even though I don't like the term, like you!). It's just what they put.

AutumnColours9 · 04/02/2024 21:45

@cardibach Yes it says that but think they just go from what you say when they ask.

DragonFly98 · 04/02/2024 21:46

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No only mothers of disabled children are carers. Otherwise is parenting.

DragonFly98 · 04/02/2024 21:48

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What a ridiculous comment. Of course raising children contributes to society.

cardibach · 04/02/2024 21:48

AutumnColours9 · 04/02/2024 21:45

@cardibach Yes it says that but think they just go from what you say when they ask.

Nobody is that when their first child is born though. It may be what is done, but it’s not really accurate, is it?

Bridgetjoneski · 04/02/2024 21:49

@cardibach yes as the op was intending to be at home full time with her child Full Time mother is perfectly acceptable under occupation.
I can't believe the level of offense taken here. Obviously a mother or father who is with their child 24/7 is working (unpaid btw!) as a full time parent compared to those who need to farm out the bulk of the childcare as they need to or want to work outside the home!

cardibach · 04/02/2024 21:51

Like is said @Bridgetjoneski your language is deliberately goady and unpleasant (as shown in this message again) so I’m not engaging. Please stop @ ing me.