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We are being primed

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Mambo19866 · 27/01/2024 06:50

Story after story now of conscription being needed. I was thoroughly convinced that this is just scaremongering but the number of senior figures coming out again today warning us to prepare it really feels like they are getting us used to the idea. Also in the papers today the US is moving some of its nuclear stockpile to the UK. Getting bit nervous now I have to admit.

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forcedfun · 27/01/2024 13:24

IClaudine · 27/01/2024 13:21

That Swedish leaflet has some very pertinent advice. Worth bearing in mind when on threads created by posters who plop and run!

Be on the lookout for false
information

States and organisations are already using misleading information in order to try and influence our values and how we act. The aim may be to reduce our resilience and willingness to defend ourselves.

The best protection against false information and hostile
propaganda is to critically appraise the source:
• Is this factual information or opinion?
• What is the aim of this information?
• Who has put this out?
• Is the source trustworthy?
• Is this information available somewhere else?
• Is this information new or old and why is it out there at this precise moment?
• Search for information – the best way to counteract propaganda and false information is to have done
your homework.
• Do not believe in rumours – use more than one reliable source in order to see whether the information is
correct.
• Do not spread rumours – if the information does not appear trustworthy, do not pass it on.

Agreed. Worth remembering how much our own and foreign counties use social media now to manipulate us

Missamyp · 27/01/2024 13:26

This is all about bolstering NATO not fighting the battle of Hastings.😂
Russia is renewing its military weapons faster than the whole of NATO. They have found new fiscal partners-bypassing and nullifying all the sanctions the EU dreamt up.
Hence the wobbly by NATO-it's all a bit embarrassing for them at the moment. No industrial base-no army other than the professionals, bear in mind the NATO armies have to communicate with and manage 30 nations.
However, the UK pop is arguing about the cost of baked beans and couples are embroiled in arguing about who did more washing up last week.😂

Blueblell · 27/01/2024 13:28

Can you imagine the very long list of excuses why people cannot sign up!

TempestTost · 27/01/2024 13:29

moomoomoo27 · 27/01/2024 12:54

Probably a nice little Caribbean island. I think the US will be least/last affected, especially southerly, and nearby islands after that. Not every country will be at war, but of course if somewhere like Switzerland remains neutral again you'd still massively be in the firing line for a European war. I'll probably see where the Alan Sugars and people like that go, he jetted off to Aus under the guise of work (filming Aussie Apprentice) as soon as covid hit so he could live a normal life. I don't have any dependents or family, and my partner can work remotely or we can just live off our savings for a few years.

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Yeah, the people in the Caribbean just love people who do this sort of thing.

I'm not sure the Swiss would consider British people trying to get out of fighting to be refugees, if it came to that, so probably no help there. They have a healthy respect for people providing their own military protection.

bringsomewood · 27/01/2024 13:32

IClaudine · 27/01/2024 13:21

That Swedish leaflet has some very pertinent advice. Worth bearing in mind when on threads created by posters who plop and run!

Be on the lookout for false
information

States and organisations are already using misleading information in order to try and influence our values and how we act. The aim may be to reduce our resilience and willingness to defend ourselves.

The best protection against false information and hostile
propaganda is to critically appraise the source:
• Is this factual information or opinion?
• What is the aim of this information?
• Who has put this out?
• Is the source trustworthy?
• Is this information available somewhere else?
• Is this information new or old and why is it out there at this precise moment?
• Search for information – the best way to counteract propaganda and false information is to have done
your homework.
• Do not believe in rumours – use more than one reliable source in order to see whether the information is
correct.
• Do not spread rumours – if the information does not appear trustworthy, do not pass it on.

It is good, and easy to read. Funny that OP never returned. I’ll post it again in case she missed it. 🙃

https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/30307.pdf

https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/30307.pdf

TempestTost · 27/01/2024 13:36

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 13:24

TempestTost
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You do realize that if NATO fails there will be more need for British people to step up to fill military roles?”

Why? We have not been subjected to land invasion since 1066.
Russia is in no fit state to invade. It is not going to happen.

And part of the reason for that is that Britain has been protected not only by it's own military, but it's alliances. The Germans would have absolutely invaded Britain in the last century had they not been stopped in Europe, and that looked like a close thing for a while because of people who were complacent, and the Communists have also always had a kind of one world government ideology.

Russia is constantly testing British boundaries in the air and sea. And I wouldn't be too complacent about China either.

Don't kid yourself that it's just about a land invasion anyway. A Russian/Chinese dominated world is not going to be like what we have now.

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 13:37

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 13:08

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Ha! 💯lockdown vibes!! Why should the young protect the old???”

Oh, now I see exactly where you’re coming from, @DoubleTwin . Self-interest, perhaps. ? How old are you? Did you undertake National Service? Will you be called upon to fight?

I’m 59 and if push came to shove I’d rather lose my life than have a young person fighting to “protect” me. Our youngsters gave up so much for the elderly and compromised during Covid, the vast majority willingly and without complaint. It harmed them enormously in so many ways that I think most self-centred older people still don’t appreciate. Now many of those elderly are expecting them to offer up their lives too? Beyond belief.

Please explain to me, exactly. Why should the young protect the old, a proportion of whom it seems from this thread have nothing but contempt for them even after their sacrifices during the pandemic?

What do you suppose the alternative would be?

maeveiscurious · 27/01/2024 13:43

gooseberrystrudella · 27/01/2024 12:17

The days of yore, where loyalty was owed to one's sovereign and country are over in Britain.

The UK has the distinct whiff of erosion. I've never had so many friends talk about wanting to leave England in general, moving to Bali, Dubai, Poland etc. 50 years ago very few English people would prefer the idea of living in Poland to the UK.

If war was declared with Russia, my guess is many British people would rather pack their bags, head directly to The Red Empire of Frozen Frontiers and Soviet Brutalism and trade in a Victoria sponge and tea for some stroganoff than turn into dog food for an increasingly unstable and indistinct Britain. Many other Britons would likely head back to their second homelands in Africa, Pakistan, India, Eastern Europe or the Levant.

Gone are the days of loyalty to the nation. Why fight for Britain when you can move anywhere and make it your country— isn't that how everything works now?

Interesting that you think there is no patriotic feeling. It was much like this at outset of WWII there was much resistance to the idea of another war with Germany.

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 13:44

bringsomewood · 27/01/2024 13:32

It is good, and easy to read. Funny that OP never returned. I’ll post it again in case she missed it. 🙃

https://rib.msb.se/filer/pdf/30307.pdf

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I think people should keep repeating this on all the scaremongering threads about conscription. again. And again in the hope that people start to join the dots and stop fuelling this.

Even the single general who was talking to a podcast about strategic reserves to train citizens was explicit that he wasn’t talking about conscription. He was clear any citizens being trained by such a reserve would be volunteers.

Absolutely no one is planning to conscript the British public and send them off to fight the Russians.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 27/01/2024 13:55

maeveiscurious · 27/01/2024 13:43

Interesting that you think there is no patriotic feeling. It was much like this at outset of WWII there was much resistance to the idea of another war with Germany.

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This is interesting on patriotism.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/05/05/5-national-pride-and-shame/

5. National pride and shame

Publics are split when it comes to personal feelings of pride, shame or both for their country. Only in Germany do roughly half (53%) say they feel proud

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/05/05/5-national-pride-and-shame/

Verbena17 · 27/01/2024 13:59

They’re making out they can’t recruit people into the military - total lie.
The government has cut back on military numbers vastly over the past 20 years - it is always recruiting.
They’ve changed pensions and expectations and taken away the morale boosts that drew people to join, but don’t be thinking they can’t recruit.
They CHOSE to cut numbers.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 27/01/2024 14:04

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 12:59

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle

Switzerland has mandatory military description for men!”

And last engaged in combat when? 1850s? Lot of bloody use it was during WWII.

My Swiss colleagues tell me they can only maintain their neutrality with a strong army and military readiness - hence conscription!

SwordToFlamethrower · 27/01/2024 14:04

Turn off the news

IClaudine · 27/01/2024 14:07

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 13:44

I think people should keep repeating this on all the scaremongering threads about conscription. again. And again in the hope that people start to join the dots and stop fuelling this.

Even the single general who was talking to a podcast about strategic reserves to train citizens was explicit that he wasn’t talking about conscription. He was clear any citizens being trained by such a reserve would be volunteers.

Absolutely no one is planning to conscript the British public and send them off to fight the Russians.

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Nuclear war scaremongering has started now, too.

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 14:09

IClaudine · 27/01/2024 14:07

Nuclear war scaremongering has started now, too.

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Sadly, yes.

It’s so tedious.

ConcertaFirstTimer · 27/01/2024 14:10

piscofrisco · 27/01/2024 07:01

Tbh I think there is an argument for a years maybe apprentice -pay level conscription at 18 or after the end of full time school. I think it should be a choice between military type service or community service, care work etc. would give kids a skill, get them used to work and alleviate staffing crises in various industries. And it might humble some of them whilst empowering others. Not sure they should be put in the front line however-but at least we'd be better prepared if it ever came to it.

I agree. They certainly shouldn't be conscripted to fight or kill!

But a community service for one year would be great. Would cost a fortune to organise properly though so will never happen.

bringsomewood · 27/01/2024 14:55

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 13:44

I think people should keep repeating this on all the scaremongering threads about conscription. again. And again in the hope that people start to join the dots and stop fuelling this.

Even the single general who was talking to a podcast about strategic reserves to train citizens was explicit that he wasn’t talking about conscription. He was clear any citizens being trained by such a reserve would be volunteers.

Absolutely no one is planning to conscript the British public and send them off to fight the Russians.

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Agree. This thread is a great example!

CalmAfterTheStorms · 27/01/2024 15:01

The younger generation have the intelligence to not want any part of this and l dont blame them. Why would they want to jeopardise their lives for a country that shows zero respects for them.

SwimmingWorrier · 27/01/2024 15:03

AuntieMarys · 27/01/2024 06:56

🤣
They'll be searching for a charging point and concerned their avocado isn't ripe.

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Why would they want to risk their lives for people like you?

SwimmingWorrier · 27/01/2024 15:13

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DoubleTwin · 27/01/2024 15:17

Of course Russia is spreading misinformation and some useful thread idiots are helping as handmaidens.

StrawberryKissez · 27/01/2024 15:21

Here, Here! @CalmAfterTheStorms

@SwimmingWorrier Yes and probably a lot of bots too.

DoubleTwin · 27/01/2024 15:22

Thank goodness for Mumsnet, the collective wisdom here can always be relied on in matters of national security.

LlynTegid · 27/01/2024 15:27

@MrsSkylerWhite British soil was occupied by the Nazis in the Channel Islands between 1940 and 1945. Some of those people on the island were deported, especially non-UK nationals.

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