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We are being primed

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Mambo19866 · 27/01/2024 06:50

Story after story now of conscription being needed. I was thoroughly convinced that this is just scaremongering but the number of senior figures coming out again today warning us to prepare it really feels like they are getting us used to the idea. Also in the papers today the US is moving some of its nuclear stockpile to the UK. Getting bit nervous now I have to admit.

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sheetsoflux · 27/01/2024 12:14

The USA have already sent over a nuclear bomb to us, stationed in Suffolk, SE England.

We are being primed
sheetsoflux · 27/01/2024 12:16

EasternStandard · 27/01/2024 12:14

@sheetsoflux im Gen X and have Gen Z (and A) and think they’re brilliant. And yes if they were in charge with their values we’d be better off

Sadly the reality is we have Putin and no amount of no thanks to horror stops someone like him from acting anyway

Oh I definitely agree

But it's very sad and disheartening that a supposedly 'proud and honourable' age group (since they see me and mine as useless and weak), want to spout such rubbish about people who would be protecting them first

Countrylife2002 · 27/01/2024 12:16

Budget is on March 6. It’s just manoeuvres to try and get more defence spending in it .

Daffodilsandtuplips · 27/01/2024 12:17

LuluBlakey1 · 27/01/2024 11:21

It's not the 1980s. The world is a different place with different priorities, facing different challenges.

Some of this current stuff in the press is about argument for more money for the armed forces but some is about the changing axis of world power- political, industrial, geographic, cultural. It no longer sits in the West and in Europe. It isn't the white-centric EU/US/Canada block. It is moving rapidly to China/Russia/Middle-East.

They are countries with different morals and priorities to us. They see people as resources to be exploited and used for a country's gain, not as individuals who can do what they like with their lives. They are expansionist at whatever cost. They are greedy for power, money, domination. They have historic scores to settle, particularly with the US but also the UK. They will remove threats/barriers to their progress, in small steps at first. Russia for example- they have started with Ukraine, next a cleared border to encompass Kalingrad back inside Russia-via the Baltic states. Belarus will go back to Russia, as will Slovakia. And then you have the scenario of Russia/Rissian allies having direct large borders with EU countries like Poland, Finland and smaller borders with Austria/Czechoslovkia/Hungary, Slovenia, Moldova. Poland in particular will become a conflict zone. Finland is very vulnerable. Where will it lead? It's unthinkable but there will be serious, large-scale conflict.

Then there is China and Taiwan. What would happen to countries like Japan - geographically small and very vulnerable from China and Russia.

The Middle-East.

We (in the West) will need to decide where our priorities are. My thoughts would be to leave the Middle-East and China to it entirely and focus on protecting Europe but I am no strategist.

The UK needs to accept its a pissy little country now, irrelevant on the world stage and on any other stage. We don't matter and have not the resources to be a contributor. We are useless- have ground ourselves into complete reliance on other countries by focussing on pathetic, low-skill service sectors as one if our main employment sources and allowing our industrial manufacturing and food production to die out because of greed for wealth and unwillingness to invest by big business, demand for cheap crap by consumers and demand for cheap food and unwillingness to work to produce our own food.

We have had 15 years of a Tory government that has failed to invest in what matters; we are now the only country in Western Europe to not produce heavy steel from scratch- that's absolutely shocking and could have enormous consequences for us. And that loss is all about Brexit.

We should be self-sufficient in many fruit and veg but we're not. No one will pick the stuff so it is imported. That's why you are paying £3 + for a single cauliflower at the minute. Almost all of our apples and pears are imported- yet 40 years ago we produced dozens of kinds of apples and pears in southern England. No one can be bothered to pick them. FFS- we import most of our carrots, swede, onions, sprouts, cucumbers, tomatoes, potatoes, leeks, plums. We grow 90% less fruit and veg than we did 40 years ago. When the power balance tips over and there is conflict, where will our food come from?

The EU has put contracts in place with drugs companies to produce and stockpile prescription medications for all EU countries. We already have shortages because the government has messed up procurement. Now they have no deals in place and that shortage is going to get much, much worse.

There will be no tourist industry in a war- the bars, pubs, hotels, restaurants, big venues, holiday rentals, air BnBs won't have the resources or the footfall to stay open. What will the employees do?

We have very very few military resources- and no steel production to make any.

And any war would, at first be conventional. It would rely on traditional fighting to a significant extent. The propaganda machine will be huge. The Tory capitalists will be rubbing their greedy hands together thinking how much money they'll make from it- as they did in the pandemic.

What we are seeing now in The Daily Mail and the voices shouting for conscription, is just the start of the propaganda.We are being prepared.

This, all of this is absolutely spot on.
The U.K. has been asset stripped of its industrial heritage. No steel industry to speak of now. Instead the world is flooded with cheap inferior steel from China.
I live in Teesside, ‘Teesside, the home of Steel” a slogan we were proud of. No more, the steel works closed about eight years ago , thousands of jobs lost. Some steel is still being produced in part of the works still in operation but not the tonnage it once did. And now with the announcement of the closure of Port Talbot steel works last week with the loss of 3.000 jobs it just gets worse.
Ship building, Clothing industry, even call centre jobs went over seas.

gooseberrystrudella · 27/01/2024 12:17

The days of yore, where loyalty was owed to one's sovereign and country are over in Britain.

The UK has the distinct whiff of erosion. I've never had so many friends talk about wanting to leave England in general, moving to Bali, Dubai, Poland etc. 50 years ago very few English people would prefer the idea of living in Poland to the UK.

If war was declared with Russia, my guess is many British people would rather pack their bags, head directly to The Red Empire of Frozen Frontiers and Soviet Brutalism and trade in a Victoria sponge and tea for some stroganoff than turn into dog food for an increasingly unstable and indistinct Britain. Many other Britons would likely head back to their second homelands in Africa, Pakistan, India, Eastern Europe or the Levant.

Gone are the days of loyalty to the nation. Why fight for Britain when you can move anywhere and make it your country— isn't that how everything works now?

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 12:17

All this scaremongering is just not helpful.

The internet really exacerbates this shit.

TempestTost · 27/01/2024 12:17

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2024 12:08

This is a far comment.

But I also think that we are being prepared for the possibility of Trump killing NATO in which case Europe would have no option but to think about how it defends itself without the support of the US and that probably would involve a bigger army.

Honestly reading people's comments make me think maybe he has the right idea. Obviously it would be very destabilizing, but there is something extremely distasteful about people that are so comfortable in their safety and way of life, and often so dismissive and superior about Americans, saying they would never consider military service even in a war and people should not be obligated to do it.

Sometimes people need to really see that they are actually responsible for themselves, it's not anyone else's job to protect them or their way of life.

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 12:19

Countrylife2002 · 27/01/2024 12:16

Budget is on March 6. It’s just manoeuvres to try and get more defence spending in it .

You’d think this would be obvious. But people are determined to panic and scaremonger about how our a-level students are going to forced to fight Russia in the trenches to defend their homes.

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 12:20

TempestTostYou would be happy then, for the UK to withdraw from NATO?”

If it lessened the chances of my loved ones having to fight and increased their chances of living out their natural lives? Absolutely, yes.
Switzerland manages pretty well, as a neutral nation.
If Trump gets back in and the US withdraws, NATO treaties won’t be worth the paper they’re written on and this will all be academic.
Why some people still believe the UK to be a major world player is beyond me. We said goodbye to our influence in 2016.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 27/01/2024 12:20

I dunno.

I suspect it's more likely campaigning for more funding for military through a campaign of fear and/or distraction from domestic issues and/or whipping up a Cold War/proxy war with Russia to engender a climate of fear.

As for conscription, look how badly it's going in Ukraine. After the surge of volunteers in the early part of the conflict, it's reduced to preventing men of ages between 18 and 60 from leaving the country under criminal sanction, with forced conscripts having g just a few weeks of training.

fonfusedm · 27/01/2024 12:21

it started in the Thatcher yrs selling things off but we never recovered from the 08 crash. Low rates just masked it & lots of people could ignore stagnant wages because their house has increased in value. No investment in service by the gov, no investment in staff/business by employers Add Brexit, covid, col & the shit has hit the fan.

DoubleTwin · 27/01/2024 12:22

sheetsoflux · 27/01/2024 12:16

Oh I definitely agree

But it's very sad and disheartening that a supposedly 'proud and honourable' age group (since they see me and mine as useless and weak), want to spout such rubbish about people who would be protecting them first

Ha! 💯lockdown vibes!! Why should the young protect the old???

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 12:23

Naptrappedmummy

“ I’m in my early 30s”

And, unless I’ve misread in which case apologies, dependent on medications to keep you well? So, unlikely to be conscripted.

forcedfun · 27/01/2024 12:24

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 11:06

Nobody ‘supports’ war. It is reluctantly entered because the alternative is worse. I find this sort of opinion shockingly naive for a grown adult.

I think the pacifists were in the right in relation to WW1 for instance

My relative was a pacifist in WW1 and it cost him (and the country) his career as a brilliant scientist who had already made discoveries that improved health. Jingoisitic idiots who fell for the govt propaganda hounded him out of his job.

No one should go into war unquestioningly

EarthSight · 27/01/2024 12:25

Nofilteritwonthelp · 27/01/2024 06:56

Maybe it's a good thing. Even after a pandemic, people seem to have become even more entitled and selfish. Humanity needs a serious kick up the arse (in some parts of the world anyway), you just have to look at some of the threads on here

Do you not know the horrors of war or conflict? What happens to women and children?? I invite you to have a look at the utterly sickening things that have happened to Ukrainian and Jewish women.

I feel frustrated at some politics and entitled behaviour too, but this is a twatty thing to say.

fonfusedm · 27/01/2024 12:26

But I also think that we are being prepared for the possibility of Trump killing NATO in which case Europe would have no option but to think about how it defends itself without the support of the US and that probably would involve a bigger army.

Fair point

And as pp said many don’t want the allegiance with the US.

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 12:27

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 12:23

Naptrappedmummy

“ I’m in my early 30s”

And, unless I’ve misread in which case apologies, dependent on medications to keep you well? So, unlikely to be conscripted.

Yes, but women won’t be conscripted for combat roles anyway. That hasn’t even happened in Ukraine. I would be more than happy (and well enough) to participate in whatever the women were expected to do - medical care, child/elderly care, making weapons, whatever. I also have a DP and brother in his 20s so wouldn’t be removed from the situation. I’m just not so naive that I think morally objecting to the situation would make it all go away.

forcedfun · 27/01/2024 12:27

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 12:19

You’d think this would be obvious. But people are determined to panic and scaremonger about how our a-level students are going to forced to fight Russia in the trenches to defend their homes.

Quite but the pandemic showed how easily manipulated most people are. Just look at how they bullied people who dared to buy anything they deemed "non essential" at the shop one month then skipped out to "eat out to help out" (FFS) the next.

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 12:27

Naptrappedmummy

Women won’t be joining the infantry or engaging in active combat. They’ll be responsible for food and weapon production, logistics, medical care, caring for children/elderly, a home defence and the emergency services.”

What makes you think that? Women are engaged in combat roles now.

It won’t be like WWII with women restricted to taking on WRVS and industrial roles. Younger, fit women would be expected to fight too.

user1984778379202 · 27/01/2024 12:28

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 12:08

Women won’t be joining the infantry or engaging in active combat. They’ll be responsible for food and weapon production, logistics, medical care, caring for children/elderly, a home defence and the emergency services.

Women fight on the frontline now. Until 2018 it was in medical and support only, but now they can do any role.

fonfusedm · 27/01/2024 12:29

Quite but the pandemic showed how easily manipulated most people are.

But people needed to be scared & manipulated. how else do you get millions to comply? You can’t physically police them. People were screaming for a lockdown before it actually happened which made compliance much greater.

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 12:29

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 12:27

Naptrappedmummy

Women won’t be joining the infantry or engaging in active combat. They’ll be responsible for food and weapon production, logistics, medical care, caring for children/elderly, a home defence and the emergency services.”

What makes you think that? Women are engaged in combat roles now.

It won’t be like WWII with women restricted to taking on WRVS and industrial roles. Younger, fit women would be expected to fight too.

There are a grand total of 50 women in infantry roles in the whole of the British army.

They don’t get involved in combat roles because it’s counterproductive. I think there’s a lot of wishful thinking about women being called up to fight but they wouldn’t be, because they would be ineffective and actively damaging in a battle situation.

forcedfun · 27/01/2024 12:29

Daffodilsandtuplips · 27/01/2024 12:17

This, all of this is absolutely spot on.
The U.K. has been asset stripped of its industrial heritage. No steel industry to speak of now. Instead the world is flooded with cheap inferior steel from China.
I live in Teesside, ‘Teesside, the home of Steel” a slogan we were proud of. No more, the steel works closed about eight years ago , thousands of jobs lost. Some steel is still being produced in part of the works still in operation but not the tonnage it once did. And now with the announcement of the closure of Port Talbot steel works last week with the loss of 3.000 jobs it just gets worse.
Ship building, Clothing industry, even call centre jobs went over seas.

Exactly. qnd people think it doesn't affect them but it actually does. I work for a public sector organisation that does a lot of construction and the prices of steel now are hugely affecting projects (and therefore the provision of valuable services)

user1984778379202 · 27/01/2024 12:30

forcedfun · 27/01/2024 12:27

Quite but the pandemic showed how easily manipulated most people are. Just look at how they bullied people who dared to buy anything they deemed "non essential" at the shop one month then skipped out to "eat out to help out" (FFS) the next.

The pandemic also showed us how woefully unprepared the UK is when it matters. Fighting a virus is one thing, going to war is another. You've only got to look at how unstable the Middle East is and how the Chinese are backing Russia to think that, in MN terms, we need to get our ducks in a row. This discussion might be making people angry or uncomfortable, but it's naïve not to have it.

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 12:31

“Now MrsSkylerWhite is salivating”

Ludicrous, @DoubleTwin . Simply debunking this nonsense some people are citing that somehow it will be only young men should conscription happen.

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