I have fucked up badly

[Shamefullhouse]

Omg I have Been find 400 for for tipping 250 if I pay within 10 days .

This would have been during in my time of struggling badly with my house and the state it was in my bins getting over full and really struggling with everything really badly.

I know I should not have done it but I was struggling. As far as I know they are talking about a couple of bits I took to the communal bins . ( they don't belong to me house) but to the flats behinde me. I couldn't get the bits in the bin. So I left them next to the bin. They would have been bits of wood from a unit i think .

Where did i say people need to give me money. I give up I really do.

Sick and tired of all this. Saying stuff that's not true. Or even realivent. Making assumptions and not asking . Assumptions just do this just do that. Twisting my words.

And people wounder why others get close to the edge abd feel they have no one to turn to .

Hello @Shamefullhouse we can see that you're getting great support and advice from other MNers (thank you) but it does sound like it would be an idea to get some real-life help too. There are some links on our webguide that you might find useful. Please also take a look at the NHS website. Please take care.

@Shamefullhouse can you get a skip bag and fill it over time? We get them and have it in the front garden while we are doing DIY. It doesn't have a tight deadline and they are cheap enough to buy here, then pay to have them collected when we are ready. You just have to make sure stuff is secure in them and can't blow around the street.

We aren't in UK so maybe not as readily available/ different rules, but might be worth looking in to.

You will be OK. You will move on from this xx

I wish people would read the full thread and see the op is very obviously in crisis before posting
Jesus fucking Christ. She admitted the fault at the start, the thread has moved on quite quickly and even if you only read her updates you can clearly tell she's not in a good place or able to handle some of the harsh replies

Op please call someone IRL

I didn't say you did. You're clearly struggling mentally with this and need to step back from here and get real life help. Please call the Samaritans or 111 and speak to a real person.

To me…fly tipping is fly tipping. I hate it! Don’t care who does it or why, it’s disgusting.

That's what I don't understand. The card all over the floor was in that bigger box you can see. Which was in the big bin it's been taken out and scattered. So the pictures have been taken after they scattered it all over the floor. Which Is what I meant by pictures are not as they seem. And some stuff is not even mine . Also I put them in the bins later night time because I only ever do ot when I know the bin men are due the next morning.

I think the fine does include my front garden or why would they take the picture?

If I knew it was just the 250 and I think ok I fucked up get it paid . Then sort out any other crap that needs to go via a skip or simlar but to do that 2nd payment for removal will take because few weeks or more to save up. Its like a rock and a hard stone

On Monday call the Citizens Advice debt helpline. Be patient, you may wait a while, but they'll answer. If the fine cant be challenged, they should help you negotiate to pay at a rate you can afford. Try not to panic OP, they can't get blood out of a stone, so if you haven't got the lump sum, they will almost always accept installments. Its cheaper for them than enforcement action.

Maybe they don’t know it’s your garden and think you dumped it on someone else’s.

Also, I think many people wouldn’t realise what you did is classed as fly tipping. You thought you were putting it in a bin, albeit someone else’s.

Another thing people don’t know is that moving it somewhere else is also fly tipping. If someone dumps rubbish on your front step, you aren’t allowed to move it to someone else’s front step, even if you think they did it.

Rubbish is a mine field! Next time, ask for ideas on how to get rid of stuff. You may get some good advice.

Are you suggesting Environmental Services have faked the photos?

If you think it is unfair then appeal the fine with the evidence you have. Ask Citizens Advice or an organisation like them to help you do that if you need help. And do get help otherwise as it sounds like you need some support. Take care and be safe.

There is an email on the letter that says if your having problems paying please email us here. But I keep getting post master reply saying it does not exist.

I would struggle but also cope if I had to pay the 250. Then I could wait for about 4ish weeks then I could sort out the rest of the crap in my garden etc . But I can't do both at the same time.

You got caught fly tipping. Got fined sounds reasonable to me. You can't haggle over an fpn. You pay the fine or go to court.

For environmental health to come and remove your stuff someone must have seen you and reported you. Don't use other people's bins then you won't get fined. You k keep what they say - if you can't do the time don't do the crime. Same applies here. You have been fined for dumping your stuff where you know you should not and did still. It's not just one extra bag you couldn't fit in it is a whole load of crap!

OP you keep saying the photos are not as they seem because some of YOUR cardboard has been taken out of YOUR cardboard box. It doesn’t matter at all, it’s still all your cardboard, the quantity is the same regardless of whether it’s all over the floor or piled into one box, and that is fly tipping, so pay the fine. The council should accept a payment plan I believe, and then the rest of your rubbish will have to stay in your house or garden.

The reality is that it is fly tipping, whether you pile it neatly into one box or leave it strewn all over the floor.

I do wonder whether you live in a similar area to me where currently are in the middle of horrendous bin strikes so there is literally rubbish everywhere due to bins not being emptied for weeks on end. If so, there are lots of local companies taking rubbish away for reasonably cheap so worth having a look at them as it will be much cheaper than a skip.

Does fixed penalties fine mean weather you left 2 bits of rubbish or 50 bits its the same fine regardless?

Yes. It’s still fly tipping.

They took your rubbish out because you are simply not allowed to use that bin. It is for other people to use and by putting your stuff in they can't legitimately get their stuff in!

Also your front garden absolutely could be included in fly tipping, under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 I believe it is. You cannot fly tip even if it is leaving rubbish on your own land, unless you can prove you have a skip slot booked/appointment booked to collect it. This is because waste left in your garden can still cause harm to human and environmental health. Especially with the wind we currently are due, anything in your front garden tonight could easily end up 3 streets down by morning

If you read all my posts you would have seen me say. That if I use them bins . I do it late at night. The night before bin men are due ie . I put my rubbish in late night Tuesday bin men collect wed morning. The bins were not full. Their bins are collected weekly. Ours are collected fortunately. Its extremely hard having fortnightly collection when you have a larger family. It's also very common to put rubbish in other people's bins on the night/morning of collection as long as there's room it's not a problem.

Why not focus on spending your limited budget on removing rubbish rather than decorating?

Some councils allow large households to have second bins, do yours?

Op I'm going to share something that I truly hope will be taken in the spirit in which it's given.

You remind me a lot of my mom. She's had a lot of struggles with mental health as well as addiction issues.

When she does something wrong it's very hard to discuss this with her. Either she has a million excuses to remind us of why her life is awful, or she will apologize and then say how awful she is and she should not be here.

Rather than be able to take responsibility, acknowledge her mistake, and correct it, she uses her guilt in a way that makes us not able to hold her accountable.

I don't like confronting her because then I am dealing with her self destruction. It doesn't feel fair, because we all make mistakes and should be allowed to acknowledge and correct them without the emotional rollercoaster.

You have been through a lot, but at the end of the day this is just a mistake.

You did something wrong. You are being help accountable. Take responsibility and move on.

This doesn't mean you are a selfish or bad person it means you did a selfish thing like we all do. In the future though it's ok to be wrong and just acknowledge it. I think gently I suspect unintentionally you perhaps have gotten used to feeling like the victim in all aspects.

You got caught doing something shitty, fix it, and feel proud you took responsibility rather than fall back onto guilt and self pity. You can do this. 💞

I doubt a head board , and granite dust is going to blow down the road . Either way I'm fucked. So I may as well give up. I said up thread it's a rock and a hard stone . So I can't win . ( this is me agreeing with you)

We had people like you using our bins. We have a bin store that has 2 large bins to serve 10 flats. Even 1 or 2 extra bags of rubbish, no matter how last minute, could easily cause us a problem. One of our neighbours worked shifts so would often put their rubbish out very late at night or even in the morning before the bin men. Other people took the piss, dumping multiple bags of rubbish, huge cardboard boxes and even old appliances (I caught a woman walking around the corner from a house that wasn't on our site trying to dump a broken Hoover in oue bin store. Guess who'd have had to pay for that if she'd done it? Us.)
Our bins only get collected fortnightly as well, same as our recycling. We just have to hold onto our recycling until the collection is due and let me tell you, that's not fun in a small 2 bed flat.

We wouldn't be allowed to put that stuff in our bins. Perhaps that is the reason you have been fined. Anything like that we'd either have to book an appointment time and take it to the tip (free) or book a bulky refuse collection. They would take all of that as one collection for 20 quid.

Is there a friend or relative who would do a tip run with you? Or a few tip runs in an afternoon? You can clear a lot of stuff. Or could you share a bulky refuse collection with someone - we sometimes do that with our neighbour- put a collection of cardboard boxes and pain tins together for example and one of us books the collection but we split the cost. Or, is there anyone nearby who has a skip would you could ask if you could put bits and pieces in- we do this too in our street.

We have a big pile of stuff at the minute - cardboard (in the spare room) that I'm going to book an 8am appointment and take this week on my way to work .