Amanda and Giovanni

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Apologies if there is already a thread but I couldn’t find one. What on earth has gone on between Amanda Abbington and Giovanni Pernice during Strictly?AA is apparently taking legal action against the BBC claiming she has PTSD.

i found a link
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/07/strictly-amanda-abbington-demands-backstage-footage/

What a load of ill advised nonsense about the nature of a PTSD diagnosis. Mumsnet is worrying sometimes, having internet access but evidently not even being able to google a condition before spouting off about it.

People seem very invested in their parasocial relationships with the strictly dancers. I've never watching it but ultimately if she feels she has a case she she is fully entitled to have it investigated, whether people have favourite dancers or fantasies about what chasing the strictly final and what is appropriate - or not -looks like - the same as we all do when we are at work and working alongside colleagues who's behaviour may not always be acceptable. It's a prime time tv gig with a contract and a pay packet, not the hunger games.

Maybe you would like to educate yourself as PTSD isn't just suffered by people in wars.

Do you think that maybe they don't believe her?

I have a friend who is an actress and while she's very lovely and great fun, she can also be very dramatic! PTSD does sound a bit extreme.

we dont know her personality, we dont know if she is level headed or was level headed.

i don’t get good vibes about this man either!

She’s a celebrity being paid celebrity rates to appear on a prime time tv programme. She clearly did not enjoy the experience and did the right thing by leaving.

Personally I think she should have left it there but 🤷‍♀️

the bbc are going to have to provide stringent mental health support for the show, if they dont already

No, that’s not what I think. They are requesting footage because she says there’s something on t to support her case. Doing it because they don’t believe her? Don’t be silly.

if she sues she can get pay out

I know nothing about this pair, but it seems that PTSD as a putative diagnosis is flung around way too often these days. It is a serious and rare condition, it doesn't mean "somebody upset me a bit"!

Is it not possible that she could have PTSD from previous life events and this has been triggered by her Strictly experience? I haven't watched it much before this year and was struck by how much each couple are trying to sell themselves as the best friends ever - it can't be true for everyone. The rehearsal footage tapes must be hundreds of hours (even for people who go out early) and they're reduced to a few seconds, to tell the desired "story". It must be difficult for the professional if their livelihood and reputation are in the hands of someone else who isn't taking it seriously or putting in the hours. Maybe the BBC don't put enough care into matching up couples? Maybe they want drama behind the scenes?

Exactly this......I did watch it and I've always thought she's emotionally fragile, wimpish, almost babyish in her demeanour.
Don't enter into competitions if you don't strive constantly to be the best.
AA is using this to generate funds in "compensation"

It’s very possible she has a diagnosis of cPTSD. Though as the symptoms can be subjective and intermittent this diagnosis can be disputed.

Even if we see the tapes, there will be a range of opinions so it isn’t a case of knowing but a case of opinion. Will the behaviour shown constitute as bullying or could it been seen as perfectionist behaviour?

It will be interesting to see how this pans out and whether the Beeb will be included for putting/keeping her into a situation that damaged her mental health.

There are pros who are kind and gentle that she would have been better paired with, like Kai or Nikita

Must admit when the pairings were announced, I didn't think they made a good fit. Years ago I'd have suggested Anton, but Kai or a similar pro would be the choice now.

Just another aspect of the conversation.

Were you on the Number 14 bus this afternoon from South Ken to Russell Square? That's exactly what the woman behind me was saying!!!

I believe her.

I'm generally what's considered to be a high achiever (academically and sports) and happy enough with where I've got to, so this isn't some sort of sour grapes.

(I mean I have the paper results to show I do make the effort and aren't afraid of putting in the work and getting results. Definitely not a snowflake!).

However, there are often sports coaches and teachers who target some people arbitrarily - angels to one student, devils to others.

I've borne the brunt of these and looking back, I did nothing wrong - I was and have always been respectful and hardworking and willing to learn - they were just sexist bullies taking advantage of a power dynamic.

They decide they don't like the look of someone or want to break them mentally, and then it's all little bits of spiteful criticism dressed up as "training" and "tough love".

Look at all the gymnastics bullying situations. Were all of those children/teenagers "spoiled brats" not wanting to put the work in? I don't think so.

Some people just get a kick out of being nasty to females with a small amount of power given to them. But they'll be angels to others.

@JayAlfredPrufrock
I think that's how I feel.
I know my initial comment may seem dismissive, but I would say that I thought she was very good and I applaud some of the things she's said in the past. I thought they might have paired her with Giovanni because he is known to be quite driven and she came across as someone who is capable of real focus and determination.

He was probably tough on her but training is tough and he is a professional athlete and wants to win.
We obviously don’t know her but I think the way she is maxing out on publicity with the aim of bringing him down is nasty and vindictive. She should have kept it private I am sure the BBC have appropriate measures in place.
She is the one behaving like an attention seeking diva

It's interesting some of the observations made about how AA doesn't generally come across well, is seen as a bit volatile etc (I don't really know the celebrities that well).

I think a lot of bullies are also cowards, and look to home in on someone who projects a bit of instability or maybe isn't seen as hugely likeable for some reason - that means they're easier to target.

They don't go for the equivalent of the popular kid.

Why is your automatic response to not believe her and dismiss any issues?

With respect, that's a bit like saying rape can only be carried out by a knife-wielding stranger in the middle of the night. Or bullying means being physically beaten by somebody bigger than you.

I was diagnosed with complex PTSD by a clinical psychologist after I was seriously sexually assaulted by a stranger when I was walking home from work. The "complex" part of the diagnosis is due to my being a survivor of abuse (emotional and sexual) in my childhood, a violent sexual assault in my 20's and another life event I do not want to go into. So my trauma was cumulative, the result of several very difficult life events. At no time did I think I was going to die, though during the stranger attack I thought I was going to be raped. I had flashbacks, feelings of dissociation, recurrent nightmares and suicidal thoughts. That to me is PTSD and only an individual can say how an event has affected them. I am much better now, therapy really helped me

This will bells on. Especially true for women.

So people can be abused in their workplace or they should quit?