Amanda and Giovanni

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Apologies if there is already a thread but I couldn’t find one. What on earth has gone on between Amanda Abbington and Giovanni Pernice during Strictly?AA is apparently taking legal action against the BBC claiming she has PTSD.

She was in a bad place before she started to be fair because of all the stick she was getting for being a “ terf” . That must have been hard. Plus supporting her fiancé through his problems and legal action.

Yes that's exactly what I mean. It doesn't mean that whatever happened didn't meet the definition of bullying and harassment, and the mental distress that arise from those events. Still not PTSD. That's getting medi-vacced from Afghanistan because you're confused about what's real and cannot function...

She’s always seemed great to me.

Yes, she seems positive and fun and honest from what I’ve seen online.

I thought PTSD was something war veterans came back with after witnessing armed combat!

I must admit some of those Cha Cha Cha moves look deadly! I'm really surprised if Angela Ripon hasn't put in a BBC expense claim for new hips.

PTSD is the name of a condition, not its cause.
It can be set off by all sorts of things.

You very clearly have no idea what PTSD is. I'm not saying she has it because I'm not qualified to diagnose it but I sure as shit can't say she doesn't either because I'm not her doctor. And neither are you.

Like everyone else on here I have no clue what has gone on between Gio and his partners. But I have become uneasy to see how much is expected from the pros- afaik they are not necessarily even teachers, far less grief/ marriage/life coaches/members of the family/friends for life etc etc etc. This was particularly apparent this season seeing just how much was expected of Johannes in partnering the recently bereaved Annabel. Perhaps the BBC owe a better duty of care towards contestants and pros?

This!! I believe he was probably a dick but I think she is also milking it…

It went

ptsd is what was called shell shock after the world wars

is there a genuine link about her claim or has this just snow balled?

They’re asking for footage. Her team. There’s nothing more driven towards proof and facts than that?

Your own definition includes threats to wellbeing…that includes mental well-being.

This is a shame. Amanda has always come across as level-headed to me so I'd guess she feels Gio stepped over the line somewhere.

Gio is clearly very competitive and, as the pro, is probably under a huge amount of pressure. There have been rumours of his difficult teaching style before. Even Rose commented on it I think, although they seemed to get on very well.

I think this could be an opportunity to have a re-think about the Strictly setup. Putting highly competitive pro dancers in a situation where their pay/career is dependant on their celebrity's success is asking for trouble imo. And not helped by the celebrities being so varied in ability. And some questionable judging.

Oti also recently said how stressful she found Strictly at times. I hope they seriously think about the impact on everybody on the show and change the format if needed.

No it doesn’t. It refers to stress after a trauma. Not necessarily life threatening one.

If anyone is ever tempted to ask for advice on here about medical stuff and mental health, this thread is a shining beacon to show you not to bother. There's so many ignorant and unqualified fuckwits on here who are happy to pronounce their stupid opinions as fact.

If I don't know about something I won't be making shit up or giving my view as fact but many apparently can't help themselves. That's why you won't find me talking about pensions or investments.

And they did not have to advertise that fact. Plus, she has been quoted right, left and centre for several weeks since she left the competition. That one minute she refused to go back for the final week, then she was upset she had not been invited back for the final week. Everything is coming from her - nothing from BBC, Strictly or Giovanni. She is playing games. It was clear they did not get on (or at least she did not get on with his style of teaching). So if she could not deal with it (and no reason why she should have to), then she was right to leave the competition. But leave it there, for goodness sake. I bet nothing comes of this - it looks like she is simply trying to blacken his reputation for her own reasons.

My understanding is that PTSD is from a single very traumatic episode. People become mental and physically dysfunctional because they can’t move on for this event ie shell shock

Then there is complex PTSD is used to describe a person exposed to a series of behaviours over a period of time but then respond to triggers that seem normal to others.

I do not doubt that a perfectionist world- champion dancer could have a a different conflicting set of values from an actress trying to boost their career. The question was it bullying.

PTSD is the condition not the cause. It can be caused by lots of things, not just war.

i spose this is her reaction to it, rather than the fault of Giovanni

also the reaction to her comments on gender on twitter

No, the question is does she have PTSD which can be reasonably blamed on Strictly, not whether there was bullying. There could be other causes.
None of us can answer that question.

The voice of fucking reason. Thank you.

Maybe it depends on the personality (or ego) of the celeb working with him on how they get on with him. He’s clearly very driven and I’d imagine you need to work at a fast and hard pace to learn those routines every week. It’s not easy. PTSD sounds extreme but who are we to say how someone feels and if its reasonable or not. She clearly feels that way for a reason

Yes me too.
I can well imagine he was quite harsh and would shout at you if you got things wrong but PTSD!!! She is making a mockery of people who have suffered real trauma.