Voting to "Get the Tories Out" part 2

[AdamRyan]

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And don't forget the courts, rape victims having to wait 8 years for justice for example

That's short compared to postmasters.

You seem to have totally ignored @IClaudine’s post which provides the precise evidence. Why is that. Here is is again.

IClaudine · Today 14:42

"We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services"

How much clearer can Labour be on this?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

This makes no sense. It’s been them in charge. They’ve had 13 years not t9 allow it to happen.

It wasn’t in the King’s Speech. They don’t intend to do it. Makes you wonder why she’s saying it really, doesn’t it?

She's setting out her stall to be the next Tory leader. Nothing more : nothing less.

Your superiority to other human beings is duly-noted and your indoctrination is clear.

Amazingly, 200k children have been in hospital for tooth decay issues, the Tories attack Labour for the "Nanny state" because they want to bring in tooth cleaning lessons at school.
Labour can't magic up dentists but perhaps they can teach kids to use a tooth brush.
Sorry but we had these in primary in the early 70s under Tory Edward Heath, i believe there was even tooth brushing information films on TV.

Every single NHS target has been missed in all 4 nations for the last 7 years (Scotland hit one during the Pandemic)

Average 6 week wait for adult social care packages in England, so patients are left in hospital and all the knock on effects that causes.

But what apparently matters to women is single sex toilets or a Park Run result.

What about these women

https://news.sky.com/story/maternity-deaths-at-highest-levels-in-20-years-study-finds-13045474

GTTO

Should we feel sorry for the posters who have been captured by the rhetoric?

This is what i ve been talking about on this thread.

How on earth can people put a fucking toilet above this?

Most of europe don't even have single sex toilets and few new toilet blocks in the UK are single sex, they are single cubicle & normally charge.... yes i know its not all about loo's BUT the other issues, can be addressed by better public funding to provide the care and wards people want.

All the changes to the GRA/Eq act don't get a bigger hospital or more female carers, it would just be another missed target.

On a separate issue, Labour need to stop being so nice over the PO scandal and start blaming ministers for inaction over the last 13 years, the Cons are more than willing to blame Starmer and Labour.
How about Lab telling the UK this was a Tory IT project that they introduced?

It's the mindset of privilege.

I feel for the ones that have been genuinely sucked in. Not so much for the ones that have crazy views on a wide range of issues

I'll be honest, I have started threads on MN over the years about inequalities, poverty, maternity care - for women and for minority ethnic groups- and often the double whammy of both- to absolute tumbleweed.

You should have just mentioned a trans woman and you would have had thousands of replies. That’s the only issue they care about.

I like to think that inequalities and social issues will significantly improve under Labour, as opposed to, it will just be an improvement from the Tory shambles. I'm uncertain how much different part of the general public care about these things, especially as I don't trust our mainstream media at all.

If the Tories get in again, to me it will feel like something against nature itself. Logically I know it could absolutely happen, but it's just hard to imagine it. It feels like it is in the air that something just has to give soon.

I think the public are more than capable of voting back in the Tories.

The Cons are very clever & underhand, much more so than Labour.

Yes I agree with that. I suppose I mean that I find it difficult to imagine things continuing the way they are. Just taking healthcare, public services, poverty and deprivation as examples - it's unlikely to improve under the Tories which in my mind means it will get worse. Perhaps I'm being dramatic about that, which is not what I want to be. That's hard to envisage without some kind of consequence. We've already had several strikes and that's quite telling. Perhaps I don't want to imagine what that would look like.

@Firefly2009 well the report this week about medicine sans frontier offering medical care to uk asylum seekers was a moment for me.

@jgw1 you are assuming that the sub-postmasters will get justice. I don't think many of them will from the Tories, other than maybe some having their convictions quashed.

I disagree, it’s a God given opportunity with an election coming up. It could be Sunak’s Falklands if he gets it right.

I mean he won’t, but even putting that aside I’m not sure. As a country a lot has been spent on supporting Ukraine. Whilst support for that is still very strong (rightly so) I’m not sure the public are as enthusiastic about being dragged into further conflict when it’s experiencing the col crisis as we are.

I’ve had a fair few conversations recently about what the end of Ukraine/russia and Israel/Palestine actually looks like. I don’t think I’m alone in wanting a government that is looking for resolutions rather than propping up conflicts. Oh, and not getting their knickers in a twist over asylum seekers when it’s putting itself front and centre of continuing conflicts.