Voting to "Get the Tories Out" part 2

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A known liar, lied, who would have thought it.

Kemi might be lauded on FWR but she's simply setting out her stall to be the next Tory leader. Unfortunately (in my opinion) her seat is so safe that tactical voting is unlikely to shift her.

It was explained very clearly in the docudrama how the prosecution process worked, yet people are still thick enough to spread misinformation. The desperation stinks to high heaven now.

She’s got a big majority but we’ve seen huge majorities overturned before. North Shropshire’s was 23,000 before the 2021 by election and the Tories lost that.

But I am as likely to be Prime Minister as she is.

They are getting deleted quickly.

Badenoch had a twitter thread celebrating what she called 'trade pacts' with individual US states. Ofcouse she was community noted with an explanation waht MoU are.

Why? Because she's a black woman?

@Firefly2009 I've just come on here to say that I'm still not ignoring you but my eldest is going to have a life changing decision coming in tomorrow and I want to give your question the time it needs for proper answering.

I don't want you to think I'm ignoring you but life, and kids......

Best wishes for the decision

Because her politics appeals to only a very small proportion of the population.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-67916002

,Labour's plans are being backed by Sir Kevan Collins, the former school catch-up tsar. Sir Kevan highlighted the impact of the pandemic on school absence and educational attainment, calling the current situation "a real crisis". "Covid has cast a long education shadow and unfortunately, for some children, they're still suffering the consequences of learning loss," he told BBC News. "All too often, the response to the pandemic has been piecemeal and, in my view, half-hearted."

Boris Johnson appointed Sir Kevan in February 2021, to advise the government on helping England's schools recover and create a long-term plan to help students catch up on learning after the pandemic.
"I'm a Labour Party sympathiser but I was happy and honoured to go and support a Conservative prime minister," Sir Kevan said. "We all had to stand up and do our part." But he resigned a few months later, after the government allocated £5bn in funding, rather than the £15bn he had advised.

"The phrase that was used was that we were 'maxed out on recovery' - and I don't think we ever maxed out on recovery," Sir Kevan said. "We left schools too often on their own to resolve this.For too many children in our most vulnerable communities, we failed them and let them down."

Labour pledging to sort out the Tories mess, and not by blaming parents.

Will be interested to read when you have the time.

I am probably not going to agree with you, but I do want to understand. Thank you.

Apologies the decision was not the one that my son was hoping for so I had to concentrate on that yesterday.

I don't want much from Labour, certainly nothing unreasonable.

Just assurances that biological female doesn't include males with a GRC and that single sex spaces will exclude ALL males including those with a GRC.

I think that laws will need to be tightened up to ensure that. The Equality Act 2010 which is a Labour enacted piece of legislation does not give adequate clarity regarding the conflicting protected characteristics of Sex and Gender Reassignment. Stonewall have lobbied organisations to argue that gender overrides single sex which is why lots of organisations have made spaces mixed sex. I also see no need for any man to hold a certificate that states he is female, I think that laws that enable males (or females) to falsify official documents, such as passports and Driving Licences should be overturned. Those laws were introduced at a time that gay marriage was not permitted so that there was a workaround. Given that society has thankfully moved on and gay couples can legally marry the law serves no purpose other than to create a legal fiction that enables some males to state that they are legal women (and the other way round but I my primary focus is on the impacts on women of males doing this).

I don't think this is too much to ask if we want female people to be fully able to participate in society.

I don't think any government that doesn't put the needs of women before the wishes of some males to gain access to what should be single sex spaces is a progressive government.

I also would like to see assurances that the CASS review regarding the transition of children will be followed and not ignored by gender clinics.

On this I think it is positive but I don't think Labour goes far enough in their education policies.

I say this as the parent of 2 school refusers, at the time my eldest started refusing schools we had no idea what was going on, he was suicidal and couldn't go. He ended up diagnosed with severe anxiety disorders and an autism diagnosis. A breakfast club would not have helped him go to school. He was 10 at the time.

Do you know if Labour has any policies to increase SEN provision and special schools for children for whom mainstream is simply overwhelming? They may do but I haven't seen it? I think a downside to the fact that Labour is going to remove charitable status to private schools is that private schools may become unaffordable to the SEN families who scrape to put their children in a less damaging environment without the possibility of an alternative education.

There are many many issues in education. I am glad that Labour are looking at this but the proposals in this article are merely a sticking plaster and there are going to be unintended consequences for SEN families with the private school changes.

I think like many things they are waiting to see what the state of finances is before deciding. I really hope they do something about SEN provision but tbh I'm not sure it can be fixed with money. I've been trying for several years to get help for DS with SEN and even going privately and paying the providers are totally overwhelmed and it is almost impossible to get support.

Completely agree.

We need more people who trained in SEN, the lack of psychologists, OTs, SALTS even privately is crazy.

If only we had a better education system!

Sorry but money and more special schools would help. The number of autistic children out of school is shocking. Quieter environments and more provision for online learning in some circumstances would prevent those children from missing out in education and improve outcomes. That would benefit society as a whole and prevent some people from being dependent on benefits in the future.

The whole of education needs looking at. Bums on seats in school is not essential to a good education. My son is an example of that.

I think that school environments need to be looked at with more choice. Secondary schools especially are often so big now, with so much expectation on moving between lessons,being organised, two week or ten day timetables, its all quite overwhelming.

Plus the curriculum is so rammed.

The Conservatives lack of focus on education has been dreadful so I am looking forward to seeing what Labour will offer

Polling this year seems to be starting to show a trend.
https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

Perhaps it will change after we have finished with Increase Migrants week and are back to Stop the Boats next week.

Thank you for replying.

I don't think there is any point in me saying anything to this.

I have had the courtesy of outlining my position.

When looking at women's (and by that I mean biological born women) rights to function fully in society how is any of that unreasonable or unattainable for a progressive Labour government?

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head and from what I’ve heard from Starmar (and other parties bar Tories Tbf) is that investment is needed in people.

imho If the population wants less immigration that’s where we need to be investing.

There’s no quick solution sadly but I would love to hear someone campaigning on supporting career changers to train in areas we have shortages. I think this needs to become more of a cultural norm anyway. We’re living longer and it makes sense to make use of some of that time to refocus careers and training.

Quite. And also taking action to prevent attrition from teaching/NHS.

Yesterday the BBC ran a story about "not enough midwifes". Yet I know personally a few women who tried to retrain but couldn't get on the courses as they are so competitive. That suggests it's a retention problem, not a recruitment problem.

Unfortunately "proper workforce planning" isn't a sexy government policy.

I am new to the gender debate. So I have had to educate myself on both sides.

I have no idea what Labour will do. I am a little uncertain as to why you want me to respond, because, although I do appreciate you replying, from your response, you are actually asking for everything. By definition then, there is no room for debate, compromise or discussion.