Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

You re wasting your time.

If 3 women a week being murdered and the very services they need to live being cut doesn't bother them, nothing will.

Just acidic comments back.

Because I find those posts interesting, they make good points and lack the usual derision of many.

You are free to respond to the ones you find interesting as is @jasflowers

You both seem a bit stuck on me though. Do your Other Topics. You are both keen. Others will be too I’m sure.

And yes both stop wasting your time and mine and chat about your other topics 😬

I have posted about other issues, but @EasternStandard , @Desecratedcoconut and @DewHopper don't seem to want to engage.

If posters want to confine discussions to GC/ trans issues, maybe make that clearer in the OP?

@IClaudine there are more than three of us on the thread

There are loads saying the same thing, can’t you talk to each other?

Tories don't care about women. 14 years of a government that destroyed our rights, our circumstances proves it. So don't expect them to care now.🤷‍♀️

All they can do is attempt to stir up culture wars unaware that they have lost those too. You just have to look at what their anti women policies have don't to women or what their immigration policies have done to the immigration numbers.🙈

They're the Failure party now.

It's not that I don't want to engage it's that it's irrelevant. I asked questions about what we would see differently with a Labour government and it's seen as some kind of Tory tactic. Whereas I assumed that someone who brought up the topic would know.

I know who I'm voting for and why - because, for me, it's a foundational issue. I haven't told anyone how they should vote.

I'm interested in other issues though. I expect we'll see a labour government and it would be good if there were some footholds for optimism.

But everything I say is read cynically and turned around because it's far easy and presumably more satisfying to carry on like I'm the secret Tory fan. So, I'm not flouncing, I'm reading, but after a whole day of this I'm a bit spent with it all for a weekend.

Also it’s a bit much that people spend their time attacking as @TooBigForMyBoots and others do then complain posters would prefer to engage with others

No shit Sherlock is the phrase.

But as I said if you can drag yourselves away from continuing to attack maybe you could have this other conversation

Because I want to understand why you and others don't care about the welfare of women and girls, other than in the context of being GC.

Quite, its shocking that after 13 years of total failure, all Sunak can offer is benefit cuts and more Austerity (Anyone name 3 things that have improved since 2010?)

Really? is this what your local roads need? your crumbling schools? your 40 year old hospital?

We have an excellent local MP but, since she represents the party that gave us Cameron, Johnson and Truss, she most certainly will NOT be geting my vote.

But as I said if you can drag yourselves away from continuing to attack maybe you could have this other conversation

I think you are confusing attack with challenge. If you feel you are being attacked, report the posts to MNHQ.

I don’t need to report 😬

I’m telling you why I’m not engaging.

It seems it’s an issue for you and others

Can you not have these marvellous conversations together?

I like Labours Green initiatives, their commitment to reform the NHS, to provide more skills based training.

But until they publish their manifesto, with detailed costings, i can only judge the Tories on their record and its appalling.

Do you think the country needs tax cuts at the expense of public services and benefits?

Trying too but someone keeps interjecting, as they are more than welcome too.

lol at all the posts to me and me saying start your other topic..

And more and more to me

But yes GO

All yours

How on earth is the post insulting?

Time’s up.

The thread is now on other topics

Quite simply, you cannot protect what you cannot define.

“Time’s up” Get the Tories out.

That's a shame - we need good MPs in the Commons. What if your next MP is completely hopeless? Then what?

I think tax cuts at the lower end of the income scale are important. I think that is really important. I don't think we need inheritance tax cuts.

I think disability benefits need to be easier to navigate - I don't think this Kafkaesque system is fair and they should be generous for those living in poverty. I don't think there are any labour plans to do that though - things said by Reeves don't seem promising.

But, obviously, this is a secondary wish list, for me. Were things different, these would be the issues that I'd be looking at.

I agree with you, my Tory MP is next to useless and i'm not impressed with the Labours last candidate, so didn't vote for him, the new one, a former local councillor, seems a lot better.

Our problem is the non Tory vote is split between Lab and LD, so she gets back in.

It wasn't, so hers got deleted, fed up with it all, so reported, MN impartial, agreed.