Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Funny how OP thinks “single issue voting” is voting out the Tories. I see single issue voting if you base it on the trans issue

I didn't mention 'trans'. This is not just about women's rights issues, that was my example. It makes more sense to me to vote in a candidate who will be an excellent MP rather than just any old person who will take votes from the Tories.

The trans issue isn't the most pressing thing.

It’s women’s sex based rights btw, if you’re going to throw women’s rights under the bus you may as well get the term right.

Here is the latest polling showing how 'reticent' people are to vote Labour:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

First poll of 2024: Labour 47%, Conservative 25% = 22 point lead. Labour will be happy with that after some tightening at the end of 2023.

I want this self serving shower of shite government out at all costs.

I will vote for whichever of my candidates is likely to beat my current MP, who is a) Tory and b) hasn’t ever bothered his arse to reply to any of my emails. Not even a holding ‘we’ll be in touch asap’.

I hate this government with a passion only previously matched by my hatred for Thatcher.

Yes the voting system needs reform I agree. But we also need excellent MPs in the HoC and I cannot see that voting just on this one issue will do much for the calibre of MPs.
It feels like some people would vote for any idiot as long as they said they hated the Tories.

So bloody tiresome isn't it?

'A change of government' is not single issue voting. That is every issue voting.

If what you want is a change of government - and there is a clear majority who do (including some Tories) - then it is completely rational to vote tactically to achieve that.

For the vast majority of people their lives are far more impacted by high level government decisions (around funding, tax, services) than by the quality of their local MP.

The issue is with Wales is that they are still reliant on funding from Westminster so unable to fully implement a proper Labour government due to the conservatives being in power in England unfortunately and controlling the budget.

They do have free prescriptions
for all, free schools meals etc

Normally I would agree with OP, but extreme situations demand extreme solutions. We must get rid of this dishonest bunch who have done so much damage and discredited us internationally. Seriously, a party who could vote in Johnson as PM, knowing his track record of lying and deceit have something seriously rotten at their core - and don't get me started on Liz Truss.

We must shift them.

No government will be perfect or do everything we want; but we must reestablish integrity somehow.

People will.vote for who.they want to.regardless of what posters on mumsnet
Advise .

My MP is Liz Truss. I am a member of the Labour party. I am actually worried about Reform gaining ground where I live. I will vote tactically for lib dem or Labour, whoever has the best chance against that lot.

A Tory MP who is still prepared to defend a seat in the name of their party after all that the Tories have stood for over the last 5 years is not a decent, honest person. How can anyone feel proud of the record of this government? Their party has decimated and divided this country and left the population with no hope.

The Tory party of 2024 stands for dishonesty, division, lawbreaking, cruelty, bigotry, incompetence, self-servingness and corruption.

I will vote for anyone who is prepared to take a stand against that - the truth is that any truly principled Tory MPs stood down or were forced out long ago.

The Tories have been in power for years and institutions have been taken over by gender ideology in this time. Theresa May, Caroline Noakes, Maria Miller, all Tory MPs who have promoted gender ideology. Not sure why the problem is seen as Labour's fault.

Doesn't matter how good you think your local tory MP is. The fact is they are happy to be bedfellows and vote with the absolute pile of shite that is the current government. Which tells us everything we need to know about their integrity, ie they have none.

Yes I think that you make some good points here for me to mull over.

Do you think Labour will be better on gender ideology, why and by doing what?

My labour candidate is a useless waste of skin thinks TWAW (I could perhaps get past that) thinks men belong in women's spaces (can't get past that) women should shut up sit down after they have finished the washing up (hard pass) has a child in a special school but won't help anyone with a disabled child (gave me a virtual there there pat zero advice absolutely no support) but he has helped and supported men and married people before (I'm divorced)

My Conservative MP voted against giving poor children food during covid has morally questionable practices in Parliament I have ZERO clue who keeps voting for him then I turned to him for support with sen ds his ehcp (long story county fucked up) he stepped in and stepped on them hard suddenly a secondary sen space has opened up for year 7 his EHCP issue has been resolved and I'm conflicted who to vote for at a local level

Basically I sent the same email to both and the last person I thought would help has helped

I will absolutely be voting to keep the Tories out. 100%. So will everyone l know. They are lying useless shits. Nothing works properly.

Quite true. The Tories love the single issue voters willing to vote for minority candidates.

Also it seems like Tory HQ are encouraging the GC hatred of Labour. Talk about clutching at straws. Remember when winning elections was about having decent candidates and worthy policies?

It feels like some people would vote for any idiot
If they replace an idiotic sitting MP then where's the harm?

Does anyone think Gullis, Anderson, Rees-Mogg, Jenkyns and all their lot (I could go on for some time) are high calibre individuals?

Anyway, when a party is seen to be on the up, as with Labour currently, the selection process becomes more competitive as more people apply. So hopefully Labour (and the Lib Dems) will get plenty of options to choose from. I think the SNP will struggle for candidates this time, and the Tories will be presumably be scraping the barrel.

Can you explain why Labour are good for those who care about sex based rights instead?

Maybe the encouragement is down to Labour ignoring women on this

I don't think either will be great on gender ideology as it has gone too far in universities, NHS etc under a Tory government. I think Labour will be better overall for ordinary women (and men) so will vote for them.

It is pressing and yet the Tories have completely failed to address it.

I don’t know a single person that will be voting Tory, and lots of them are past hardcore Tory voters.

I’m personally voting to get our next Tory mp out (current is Chloe Smith who is utterly useless and thankfully standing down). Our new Labour candidate is fab, really driven and determined and has already made positive changes in our community even not in post.

I’m enjoying Reform splitting the vote also, lots of working class Tory voters are switching to them in protest of the xl bully ban, which will be enough to lower the vote enough to get lab/lib/green in. Great stuff.

I’ll be voting Labour but would vote for the Lib Dems or Greens or Plaid etc. if I lived in a constituency where they had the best chance against the tories.

Whether you have a hardworking, “good” MP or a lazy, “bad” MP has far less impact on your life than who is in government.