Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Bit more information on tactical voting

https://tactical.vote/

This is ridiculous

Women are shifting things no thanks to you and others who constantly deride

You have only given free rein for more.

As I said I’m grateful to all women who don’t do the same as you

@EasternStandard and others
Have you ever tried to engage in a debate using the Socratic method? It would be a more honest discussion if you did.

Have you ever considered that there might be some neutral ground on the gender debate? Womens rights and protection of women are important but there are people with gender dysmorphia who truly identify as a women now and are not going to prove any kind of threat to you.

Likewise, voting Labour does not necessarily equal such a thing happening either. And again, you are ignoring many other important social issues.

Having a strong opinion on something to exclusion of all else only results in polarisation and fixes nothing. It is also intellectually dishonest to make a Tory versus Labour debate seem purely about one thing.

I’ll repeat what I’ve said before: womens rights are important but they are more important to you than other social issues affecting other people, and such is the attitude of the privileged

@Firefly2009 you are welcome to hold those views but there’s no way some posters will do much more than plop in for the odd insult. It’s a given.

As for what I write it’s direct and how I feel. I care about what’s happening

Off mn I’m so grateful to those who stand up to this and I’m sure they receive much worse than on here. Threats, job losses and violence included

Yes I’m also interested in economics / funding and do sometimes post on that

Feel free to continue your discussion on other topics i won’t stop you if you can return the courtesy that would be great

Thanks for that @DuncinToffee. I entered my postcode. It'll be difficult to remove my MP, but I'll never stop trying. The fucker needs to go.

Not having a Tory standing means mine is classed an unusual seat on the site. It definitely is that.

@EasternStandard appeal to popularly is a good way of ignoring a points that you disagree with and don’t want to actually discuss.

There are other social issues affecting suffering people and an interest in economics does not equate to caring about those people.

The gender debate is important but there are other things which are important.

I have. They didn't bother to reply.

No prize for anyone who guesses which party they belong to.

I am responding to you.

I get you would like me to modify in some way but none of us get to dictate on that really, obviously feel free to discuss other topics.

Spoken like a True Tory.

I have brought up other topics in this thread. My overall point is that the main thing being discussed on a post about the General Election and voting, is the gender debate.

The Gender debate is an excellent way to avoid answering the critical questions of cuts to services to fund tax reduction & where these tax cuts will hit the hardest.
Main issue is loss of Womens rights? fine but then they don't care about 3 women a week murdered in a DV setting and cuts to funding or SENs kids and the cuts to their services.

These cuts of course don't affect the wealth or most men.

None of that matters, its all "Labour will remove our rights" dressed up with either "i'm a floating voter" or "i used to be a labour party member and/or voted for Corbyn"

Ok well other posters have responded I’m sure

I don't know, are they? Do you have links please?

Some of the funding given to Wales to tackle domestic violence comes from the UK government, I know that much.

So @jasflowers and others with the complaint instead of using it as an opportunity to berate and deride why don’t you quote each other on the other topics?

Are they?

https://www.gov.wales/violence-against-women-domestic-abuse-and-sexual-violence-subsidy-scheme-html

10 million here from the Welsh government.

And 2.5 million to Wales from UK government.

https://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/23228023.welsh-womens-aid-funding-uk-government-tackle-abuse/

Do you have figures for England @Desecratedcoconut ?

Another idea when two posts are there one on sex based rights one on another topic

Quote the latter and the thread stays as you want it to

Other posters can engage as they wish but no compulsion to join in

Disgraced Ex Tory MP Peter Bone used to pretend to be a disgruntled Labour voter who voted for Blair. It's not a new Tory tactic.

Oh I missed the ‘floating voter’ attack

That’s a golden oldie for sure 😂

Yes some people don’t always vote for the same party. Maybe some missed the different landslides showing it’s not uncommon

If there are no compromises then there’s no discussion, political, societal or otherwise, to be had then is there?

That’s not my personal stance btw just logically following the direction of the argument.

As far as I can tell both entrenched sides are small and significantly loud. To some extent that’s fine, that’s what passionately believing in something looks like. But so does radicalisation. It’s going to be clear at some stage in the not-too-distant future that neither is suitable to shape any kind of legislation on the subject. Their arguments will form the foundation of debate but if there’s no willingness to reach agreements then it’s just unworkable in society.

Well there obviously has to be an outcome. Males allowed access or not. And the law may well change to protect single sex spaces

@EasternStandard by your reasoning we should only talk to other posters who agree with each other. I am saying that you and other posters only seem to care about the gender debate as the thing that decides your vote. That’s your prerogative as is being unwilling to discuss any other social or political issue.

I’m saying if you and others quote on sex based rights as the pp just did it’s ridiculous to then complain the thread is ‘hijacked’.

Post on another topic as you wish and I’m sure people will respond to you.

I did not say the thread was hijacked. I’m calling out people only caring about one thing. Which you have demonstrated by being unwilling and disinterested in any other social issue.

Do you care about anything else? Poverty, homelessness, the benefits system, the housing crisis, deprivation, violence, crime, prejudice, corruption, foreign policy, healthcare, education….

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Anyone who cares about womens rights here: Do you care about those things too, or not ?

And I have brought up those things but this what MNers seem to care about most. Please reflect on your privilege and start thinking about people other than yourselves.