Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

[DewHopper]

Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

I think there should be tactical voting. Where the Lib Dems were a clear second to a Tory, vote Lib Dem.

Well, in many cases the Tory MPs are dreadful locally, so it probably won’t be much of a problem. I will be very happy to vote for literally anyone other than mine.

Hi Rishi!

Yes I saw that on another thread, pro Labour badgering posters to vote this way

We’ll likely be flooded with MPs of the Osborne calibre hurling hate at women on Twitter / X

Good luck those who vote for it.

Don't give up the day job.

To answer more seriously, no one gets to tell the voters how to vote. Not even Tory HQ, who would very much support what the OP has posted. Perhaps Tory HQ wrote it!

Over 50% of the electorate are thinking about voting tactically against the Tories - that is their right.

The electorate can vote exactly as they choose, for whatever reason they choose.

The Tories have had 13 years to show us what they can achieve. We are all able to judge for ourselves how it has gone. Just look out of your window.

Time for change.

The calibre of our MPs is not much to shout about as it is so I worry about it getting even worse.

I'm so sick of the way some GC critical people on here are tying themselves in knots trying to justify voting tory when it's obvious another tory government will be disastrous for not only women's rights of everyone the entire country. The trans issue isn't the most pressing thing. Vote tory if you want because of it, but stop banging on about it to everyone else who doesn't want to vote on a single issue.

I would vote for anyone other than the Tories or Reform.
How anyone can vote to keep these fuckers in power a minute more is beyond me. If women's spaces mattered to them they would have done something about it in the last 14 years!!! They are using it as populist tool to win votes. If you can't see that there is no hope!

Skip the thread if it’s boring for you. I don’t think the op is forcing you to read it.

Even if you had the best tory MP in the world, as a party they have proved themselves unfit to govern and it would be foolish to vote for them.

If you can't bring yourself to vote for the most likely candidate to beat the Tories then you will be complicit if we end up with Another five years of conservative rule. It could happen. The impact on the country will be disastrous in which case.

I think the tories are relying on people being unwilling to vote labour or heaven forbid one of the others and any 'wasted votes' play into their hands.

We need to think about the good of the nation here.

Anyone? Really? And I am sure that there are individual good Tory MPs in the same way that there must be good Labour MPs here and there.

Surely improving the standard of the MPs that represent us overall by electing the good ones is more important than this single issue?

I happened to meet my Labour candidate the other month, as he came to our allotments to have a chat. I didn't ask him about his views on women's rights, but I will email him nearer the time to see what his views are (I've never had a response from a prospective Labour councillor when emailed, but hopefully he will be different). I did look at his X posts and (to date) there is no sign of TWAW tendencies!

Labour came second last time, so they are potentially the most likely party to oust the Tory incumbent here.

But...I dunno. Would a new MP stick his neck out and vote against the Whip on women's rights issues? Maybe not. Even if he is GC, he may not feel he's able to do that. Difficult one.

I'll have to see. I'm swaying more towards not voting Labour, no matter who the candidate is, rather than risk it! I do hope the tag team of badgerers from the other thread don't start up again. That was wearing.

Tactical voting is all very well but there are worse parties than the Tories.

I couldn't vote for the SNP, Alba or UKIP under any circumstances.

You have not read my OP if you think that this is what I am doing.

FWIW I shall not be voting Tory because my MP is not much use and we disagree on quite a lot - I email him regularly!
I am hoping for a decent Indie candidate to appear in our area.

The single issue voters are also the Tories Out voters aren't they? And they are all over this platform telling others how to vote - not the other way around.

Funny how OP thinks “single issue voting” is voting out the Tories. I see single issue voting if you base it on the trans issue.

As PP says, look outside your window at the disaster left by 13 years of Tory government.

Yes there were some dedicated vote scolders maybe they’ll abscond

Also, my local Tory MP is predictably shit. On all issues.

But what good is that going to do in our first past the post system? You might as well spoil your ballot and pat yourself on the back for being so principled.

Yes yours is the kind of post I have seen such a lot of. If people are reticent about voting Labour should the Labour Party not be addressing that?

I've voted tactically my entire life, and am not going to stop now. I'm just glad more people are realising there is no such thing as a safe seat anywhere if enough people want to say enough is enough.

Labour lost plenty of safe seats in 2019, the Tories have lost some ultra-safe seats in by-elections and if that makes previously complacent MPs feel nervous, that's fine by me.

It won;t be long before the Tories are arguing for PR at this rate!

It is ridiculous to berate anyone who doesn’t want to vote Labour - it’s not like we can’t look at Wales and see what a Labour government looks like - it’s not exactly a utopia is it?

I don’t like the tories either but people need to stop pretending that Labour are going to be an amazing government if they just get a chance. They clearly don’t want the job

If you look at the real-world evidence we have - currently by-election results and opinion polling - people are clearly happy enough to vote Labour.

You may be reticent, but you are not the country. You live in your tiny bubble.

I live in my own tiny bubble of course - but I am realistic about the electorate as a whole.

This. If you still want to vote Tory after all the shit, corruption, lying, racism, and incompetence they've shown, then crack on. Just own it. I don't know how you justify it, but you do you.

@DewHopper agree