Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

I don’t think they’ll push on gender. I think Starmer is too canny re the right wing media to do that. Most folk are realistic that there’s no money left (pretty much like in 2010 😂). I’m hoping that there’ll be a bit more humanity rather than victim blaming, less corruption. Less dog whistle populism. Who knows. Some places really have nothing to lose by voting labour (which is ironic considering this was cited as a reason the left behind areas voted for Brexit and Johnson)..

Ah ok. I suppose this is where the community chessboards came from too? I think I get my turn November 2025

a well known GC poster on here suggested another to poster skip the thread, its not her fucking job to police MN.

What’s with these cowardly insults 😂

But yes if you or others are moaning you are sick of the topic is it’s in the op. Or the ‘fucking op’ given how worked up you sound.

Even if my MP was a good local MP (he isn't), he still supports this absolute shit show of a government. Therefore his values don't align with mine, therefore I don't want him to represent me.

Abuse is bad, of course - but I often see someone accused of ‘badgering’ for presenting their viewpoint and arguing robustly for it. That’s what we need - open argument and people standing up for their principles (whether or not they align with our own).

@Cornettoninja our now tory council messed up the email to apply for levelling up funds. Missed it by a day. Now they are scuppered.

Yes my dinosaur necklace is in honour of him!

Idk we’ll probably find out. I just see Labour MPs hurling abuse at women or ‘terfs’ as they use the slur and that feels very much like hatred and division.

Absolutely this. I’m guessing none of them have been directly affected by the mess the tories have made, and seemingly don’t care about those that have.

My single issue is to remove as many of the grasping chancers that populate the Tory party as possible. They have got to go while there's still a chance of restoring some of what they've trampled and burned. My Tory mp is a reasonable man compared to the dross at the top. Even he knows they've got to go. Liberals will take this seat. ASAP.

I tend to swerve this debate for personal and political reasons but do feel it necessary to point out that these 'types' you mention are , in fact, both women themselves.

I think I probably AM confused on this issue but, as I have said upthread, I will be voting on local issues and how good my local candidate is and they will probably be an Independent.

Either this or I shall spoil my ballot again.
And I don't appreciate the juvenile digs but you do you.

Of course. Posting anti women rhetoric aimed at ‘terfs’ is not solely the domain of men.

It’s not something I’ll ever align with, but it happens and will likely increase.

AndThatWasNY · Today 10:04

I would vote for anyone other than the Tories or Reform.
How anyone can vote to keep these fuckers in power a minute more is beyond me. If women's spaces mattered to them they would have done something about it in the last 14 years!!! They are using it as populist tool to win votes. If you can't see that there is no hope”

This.

@EasternStandard I think a vocal minority of Labour politicians do this (but agree too many). Equally the lies about immigration coming from the government are worrying. Plus the corruption, populism.

Going back to the OP, why do assume people voting to get the Tories out are necessarily Labour supporters?

Good point - I think that I was swayed by another thread when it was the Labour voters telling everyone how to vote.

I think the prospect of the Human Rights Act being repealed and the continuing threat of leaving the ECHR if the Tories get back in is a massive risk to women's rights, as it would leave women completely exposed to the whims of extreme groups, including those in the Tory party.

Vote Tory and you get ministers like Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees Mogg. MPs like Andrew Rossindale can continue as an MP whilst on a rape charge. They can fill their boots with 2nd jobs and lobbying for private companies. And if they are really terrible they can be elevated to the Lords for life and continue to rule the peasants like us

You don't think you sound at all misogynist by referring to women you don't agree with as 'types'. Hmm. OK.

Well that seems to be the purpose of these sorts of threads: trash labour over trans, usually with a load of slurs and out right lies as that is what gets mentioned and bought up repeatedly into the thread very very quickly.

Ignoring the very simple fact the the Govt has stated publicly they wont change the GRA and are happy with it as it "strikes the right balance"

Because the party in control has a say, and you need to ensure that party will be saying sensible things. I get your concerns about women's rights, I really do, but as others have said women’s rights are also affected by the NHS, tax, education, care etc etc.

Its because individuals don’t get much say that voting for (or against) a party rather than for (or against) a specific local MP is more effective.

If I have misunderstood I apologise, but I thought you were voting on the issue of women's rights?

Are you actually saying you will vote on local issues - so car parks, pot holes, the ring road - and it doesn't matter about national issues like women's rights?

Anti women slurs and hatred is probably worse and even more troubling being a female MP in Labour is no barrier to it.

But if the post wasn’t up to exact wording no intention there

I will be voting Labour. I like Kier, but Angela Rayner is amazing!

I used women's rights as an example. I will only vote for a local candidate if they are pro-women as this obviously affects women and girls in my area. Otherwise I shall spoil my ballot.

I wish that I had not mentioned women's rights in my OP tbh as it seems to be so contentious on here for some reason. My main issue is that people voting for anyone without a blue rosette just to get the Tories out may not be the best way to pack our parliament with good,honest MPs.