Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

Labour will further align with those institutions and if any gender ideology laws are created they’ll stick, look at the GRA from last Labour gov which created this mess.

As long as you don’t have unrealistic expectations on Labour not taking it further

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_West_Norfolk_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

Labour were second, but would even Truss lose a 60+% seat?

People in this seat must be as angry as the rest of the country about Truss' premiership?

I’m enjoying Reform splitting the vote also, lots of working class Tory voters are switching to them in protest of the xl bully ban, which will be enough to lower the vote enough to get lab/lib/green in. Great stuff

No stereotyping going on here at all. 🙄

We have a fabulous Tory MP in our area. She’s definitely getting my vote…again.

‘A good local MP’ isn’t what I prioritise when voting. I struggle to see how that would impact on my life in any way. Government policies on a national scale have a much more significant impact.

There is no right or wrong way to decide who to vote for. Base it on what is important for you.

It’s not a stereotype at all, this is fact. If you spent 2 seconds outside of your bubble then you would understand what I’m trying to say.

They despise Rishi, and Reform is who they’re going for. And yes as much as you don’t like to admit it, the majority of xl bully owners are Tory voting working class.

It doesn't really matter what posters on here tell others to do - they have no influence whatsoever, so it falls on deaf ears. We saw similar approaches in the build up to previous elections with endless badgering and abuse, implying people are stupid etc - they're just wasting their time.

I will be voting tory. Im in Scotland and the SNP are a shower of sh*t. It would be more tactical of me to vote labour but i think gender is a bigger issue in scotland. We had snp, the greens and labour voting for the gender reform bill which in my opinion legalised child abuse. I cannot vote for any party who took a supportive stance on this bill, i think its disgusting. I dont currently have a tory mp, i dont even no who the candidate is but they cant be any worse than the useless snp incumbent.

And yes as much as you don’t like to admit it, the majority of xl bully owners are Tory voting working class

I volunteer in dog rescue and have no idea how you have come to this assertion. Utter crap.

I'm not basing my vote on this one issue. The Tories have proved themselves to be incompetent and more concerned with power for themselves than for the good of the country. I want them out, the sooner the better.

Yes and don't forget the abuse post election when all the thickos manipulated by the right wing media didn't vote for, as an example, Corbyn.

Truss won't lose the seat. There is a material proportion of Tory voters who still think Truss was right.

As long as you realise gender ideology will get worse with Labour and what comes in will be very hard to change fine by me. If people know they won’t be surprised when it happens

The problem for me is that the Tories at the moment aren't a normal political party.

While I disagreed with a lot of Conservative policies when Cameron and Theresa May were in power, I at least believed that they thought they were doing what was best for the country. I don't believe that of the current Tory party.

So while there might be some good local Tory politicians, what point is there in voting them in when you're just giving power to the corrupt crooks at the top of the party, who will happily destroy the country if it means lining their pockets.

I live in a Tory / labour marginal. Luckily my labour MP is great, but even if she wasn't, I'd still be voting for her, because what's the alternative? Me voting lib dem or green isn't going to get that person into power as an MP, the only effect it will have is to worsen the chances of the only candidate who can beat the Tory.

Our electoral system is the cause of this. Under First Past the Post, most constituencies are always going to be a two horse race. As a result you're best off voting against the outcome you don't want, rather than for the outcome you want.

The abuse is off the scale from the Labour lot

I looked at another thread to see the usual suspects and hid it

Those who want to vote for Labour get this treatment now, on these boards. Constant attacks about not caring about women's issues, when many people who feel very strongly about women's issues believe voting Labour is what is best for women.

Absolutely-well said!

Tbf many pro Labour do post people don’t care about sex based rights and let everyone know it shouldn’t be talked about

Oh yes. It literally never ends.

I think this a good point. I do think a good local MP can make a difference, but not to the extent the main government can. Equally, devolved governments will struggle with a poor UK government.

I have tactically voted before. I’m not really a Starmer supporter - he’s a bit right of my left - but I am a labour supporter. I used to vote Lib Dem as a labour supporter because that was the option in my area v Tories. I was devastated when Tories got in and all they’ve done is prove just how much they can damage the country since they got there. All the strikes are really concerning, it’s a nightmare to seek help for any medical issue, neurodiversity assessments have wait lists of 3y minimum and time consuming blockers to getting on them that can’t be bypassed by schools and schools and teachers are overwhelmed. The conservatives are supposed to conserve the country, they haven’t done that. There have been plenty of unnecessary changes, they’ve driven our services into the ground and they are totally out of touch with the reality of the standard family living in the UK today.

I'm based in NI, where we take swivel-eyed lunacy to a whole new level.

To address your point, though, OP, I wouldn't vote Tory under any circumstances, there just isn't enough overlap there with my values. So my vote wouldn't go to a Tory candidate, but not just to 'get them out'. I imagine there are plenty of people like me around.

Thanks for proving my point.

A great many women voters care very much about women's issues and you simply denigrate them because they do not agree with you personally about how to go about securing what they think is best for women.

No I said a fair few Labour posters explicitly state the electorate doesn’t care.

It’s not about whether you do or not.

I tactical vote Tory to try get rid if SNP - couldn't vote for any of the others!

I don't think that they are abused in quite the same way tbf. Women who don't want to vote Labour have been labelled many things - rich, uncaring, stupid, gullible the list goes one.
I think that women pointing out to die hard Labour supporters that they are unhappy with Labour's stance on women's rights is not the same.