Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Yep, so true.

A lot of people are disgruntled about the prospect of having to pay VAT on school fees. I see someone below suggesting more cuts to public services. There is nothing left to cut! Unless you want people who can't avoid private health care to die like in America...

Quite agree that past 13 years that have seen the degradation of so many rights including sex based ones have been deeply depressing.
Lets be excited for a future without those who inflicted those degradations on us in charge.

I can't get past the fact that Labour don't know what a woman is.

Lucky you don’t have to then because, not only do they know what women are, but they know how to treat them properly.

I can't get past the fact that Labour don't know what a woman is.

The trans movement has got most otherwise reasonable people doing mental gymnastics and it's a case of the emporers new clothes.

I can't wait to get rid of this shitshow of corrupt, useless Tories. Starmer may be boring, but at least he's competent and statesman like.

I'd agree with previous posters that the fixation on the Labour TWAW issue is out of all proportion to the issues that are really affecting women in the UK today, and which the Tories are doing precious little to alleviate.

Even if people wanted to fixate on this issue, they should take a look at the top 4 countries in the world that are doing the best for women in improving equality for women and closing the gender gap (Iceland, Norway, Finland and New Zealand). They have all moved to more relaxed policies of gender self-ID. This is from the global gender gap index, a report that is cited by governments, health organisations and women's groups internationally. These countries have remained in those top 4 positions in the last years and have not dropped down, despite their introduction of these gender self ID policies.

www.statista.com/statistics/244387/the-global-gender-gap-index/#:~:text=The%20global%20gender%20gap%20index%202023&text=The%20global%20gender%20gap%20index%20benchmarks%20national%20gender%20gaps%20on,with%20a%20score%20of%200.91.

www.weforum.org/reports/global-gender-gap-report-2023/

So it would seem that doing well for women is not incompatible with the approaches these top 4 countries have taken for gender self ID.

What surprises me the most about this thread is the lack of infighting. Usually any thread about politics spirals into a bun fight. The fact that no one seems particularly passionate about either party is telling. It seems ridiculous to me that labour could lose over the issue of gender when it should be such a straight forward issue. They've really shot themselves in the foot there.

What we really need is a Mumsnet Political Party. We could run the country much better, I'm sure! Anyone happy to put themselves forwards as a leader?

Your post has left me somewhat confused.
You dread a Labour government, but are worried about immigration and the "million immigrants" this year, most of whom came here as a result of policies and rules changed by the current government.

Are you aware that Labour are not currently in government?

Well, obviously I hope they'll stop the horrifying number of deaths we've had under this government due to "austerity," but I wouldn't say I'm "excited," no.

No they don't. They didn't need to put their own MP Rosie Duffield through the wringer for a start.

Labour introduced the incredibly poor GRA and will defend it to the hilt.

Gender ideology will get more pronounced with zero challenge

And worse still once all challenge is gone and laws changed it’ll be very hard to reverse - just like reversing the GRA is almost impossible

Depressing as hell to see it incoming

I’m excited! Last time, Labour sorted out NHS waiting times and guaranteed patient choices in law. Now all sadly reversed by the Tories. I’m looking forward to better public services under Labour

I'll vote Labour or stay at home but normally prefer the Tories. Just impossible to vote for the current Tory party. They need to go away and change.

I don't particularly want labour but am not overly fearful. I attended both labour and Tory party conferences for work a few years ago on a specific policy area and the policies and members concerns were almost identical so don't think it will be too awful. Just need a competent government and one which is not sleazy like the current bunch.

Wes Streeting has says the NHS is inefficient and needs reform, so am looking forward to some attempts to significantly reform it and get better value for money from it.

Yes! Of course. Not only do we need a change away from the pustulous fools doing the job currently but a change towards people who are interested in doing things cooperatively and with an eye to everyone's basic wellbeing rather than filling a few already bulging purses and calling it 'encouraging aspiration'? Yes please!! If that's boring, bring on bloody boring. Bring it on asap.

Presumably the same people are equally disgruntled that the current government imposed a 40% employer pension increase on schools in 2019 and a further large increase this year.
The teachers pension scheme is unfunded and contributions to it go into the same pot as general taxation to the current government have already increased what is effectively a tax on both private and state schools by more than VAT.

Also important to note that for state schools that increase was completely unfunded. That is correct the Tories increased the costs of schools by nearly 40% without increasing funding.

This is my thinking too.

The general public should be aware that the richest 1% in the country quadrupled their wealth in the first 4 years the coalition were in government.

I am a centrist. Starmer is a centrist. It is why Corbynites hate him. He is also very competent. We need someone who is competent rather than someone who is a personality.

Labour introduced the incredibly poor GRA and will defend it to the hilt.

Theresa May wanted to expand it. 🤷‍♀️

Yes if you have a penis.

You are, perhaps like another poster, unaware that the UK has had a Tory government for 13 years.
If they did not like the GRA they could have changed it at any time they liked.
That they have not, coupled with the Home Secretary who thinks it amusing to give his wife date rape drugs still being in post, I would have thought tells you all you need to know about the Tories approach to women.

So what? 🤷‍♂️

May isn’t leading now, Badenoch is relevant. You won’t get challenge under Labour

The opposite. Look at Lammy, Whittome, Osborne, Drakeford for Labour’s views on women

And starmer has said a woman is an adult female human being.
It was the conservatives who brought in the current legislation.
The Corbynites want self ID. Starmer is a centrist and will not do this.

Out of interest, what are your thoughts on my previous post showing the stats whereby the top 4 countries in the world for women have all introduced more relaxed policies on gender self-ID?

These countries have introduced those policies over a period of several years...if they were detrimental to women you would expect to see them drop down the women's equality table. They haven't, they have remained at the top of the table.

I want rid of FPTP and the House of Lords. Who will make that happen?

It's going to be an utter shitshow who ever wins the election. I'm politically homeless along with the rest of the country😂.