Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

[roarrfeckingroar]

I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Cheap.

Dreading it. The fact they can't recognise a woman should be of concern to all biological women and their female children.

They have short memories of the overspending, spiralling economy and lack of competence

You don’t need much of a memory to see those things- it’s been the theme of the last 13 years. Epic incompetence, even more corruption and a record breaking tax burden along with plummeting standards all round. Yay.

The idea that the Tories are the party of sound economics has long since died. Sorry to break it to you.

Take me back to 2012 any day.

I must say though on visiting Wales over Christmas it was lovely to be able to walk around towns with traffic going at a slower speed in narrow streets than they legally have to in England, so that's a positive thing that Labour in Wales has done.

Factually accurate though.

I don’t think people have any idea just how bad things can get.

Things can't get any worse than they are right now. Remember the 90s / 2000s? It was positively utopian compared to now. In those days there were special educational programs for gifted and talented children and grants for them to realise their potential. There were sure start centres. You didn't go to the doctor to be told 'the NHS doesn't fund this now'

Of course, if you use private healthcare and private schools you won't be aware of this.

If there is one thing the current government has done, it's to make damned sure social mobility is curtailed.

No it will be the same old shit. I remember the last Labour Government and the shit they left and they haven’t been effective as an opposition either

all parties need to up their games

Absolutely yes! Can’t come soon enough!

True.

I want to be. I want to feel the same as I felt when New Labour got in - walking around with a massive grin on my face.

However, I quite like single sex spaces and having the right for me or my daughters not to be forced to share a toilet or changing room with a man. I don't like being treated as a second class citizen on the basis of my sex. And Labour, this Labour - would revel in treating me as such. And as such they can fuck off.

This. The country is on its fucking knees. Anyone bleating about the safety of their daughters needs their head examined. The Tories certainly know what a woman is, they've raped or sexually assaulted about 8 so far this year and I suspect that's just the tip of the iceberg. Admittedly one of the victims was also a man so I guess that's all right then. Do you honestly think the Tories care abot women. Really? Give me their glowing track record, I'd be fascinated to read about it before I vomit.

I must say though on visiting Wales over Christmas it was lovely to be able to walk around towns with traffic going at a slower speed in narrow streets than they legally have to in England, so that's a positive thing that Labour in Wales has done.

I agree. Wales is still civilised.

I’m glad people feel the same. It’s the only comfort for what will be incredibly dire and depressing for those of us who care about sex based rights - in my case for me and dd

Not to mention Sunak claiming to be “the change” we all need after 30 years of failure … and then bringing back Cameron and consulting Dominic Cummings. All tactics/no policy.

Nah. Just replacing one set of idiots for another.

I'm particularly worried about the impact of a Labour government on my mentally ill gender questioning DC. Keir and his hapless MPs, with their lack of critical thinking, seem unable to prise themselves away from the gender ideology cult.

Even if the Party of Women fields a couple of candidates they won't have any influence. I'm sure that most of the electorate will be focused on the economy and the NHS, and I trust Labour to make some attempt at sorting out the mess the Tories have made, even if it will be a long process.

I will be relieved rather than excited to have a competent adult in charge.

The thought of a Starmer gvt terrifies me. This is the man who only a few years ago wanted Corbyn to be our PM, now his strings are being pulled by Tony Blair. This country is in urgent need of economic growth and a massive cut in state spending. What we will get is more state intervention in our lives, more looking towards the EU for closer economic ties and needing the support of the loons in the Lib Dems or SNP to give them a majority in Parliament. I live in Wales which is largely ignored by mainstream press, we have had Labour in power for 20 years and our schools health care and education are all far below the rest of the UK. This is the country that Starmer proudly said was a blueprint for the rest of Britain. God help us!

NO

Yes, hopefully we will kick the Tories into oblivion for a very long time. Hateful people, the lot of them.

Yes David Cameron jeering and laughing at Ed Balls in parliament because he had a stutter. This, from the man whose disabled child died. Disgusting.

If you think the Tories care about women's rights think again. They are not progressive in their outlook.

This is a wryly amusing, but nevertheless predictable thread. All those with businesses and money and kids in private school are frightened at the prospect of bringing some balance to society! But try and disguise their self interest by talking up their " fear of being a woman living under a Labour government ". Please. Just be honest!

Absolutely not looking forward to KS. Just look where Labour got their people working now. Sadiq Khan, Wales, the councils going broken. Expect to be drained alive with more taxes with the excuse of climate change.

May be revisit this threat a year later or two after they get in.

I dread a Labour government. No matter what drivel they come out with, I simply cannot trust them on immigration. However useless the Conservatives may have been, Labour will be worse. Centre-left parties always are.

Net immigration in 2022 was 750,000. Add in illegal immigrants and it must be over a million. A million extra people in one year. Think about that for a moment. If it continues, we will have to build three new Manchesters every year. There is only one word for that – insanity. My local woods have been hacked down to make way for a new housing estate, and at the other end of my village a giant new estate has been built that is more like a new town. I often walk through these estates, and I'd guess that at least half the people who live on them weren't born in the UK.

This country is insanely overcrowded and it's making me ill. At times, I feel like I'm suffocating. The traffic is so bad I hardly bother going out. I've given up yoga, for example, because I can't face the drive after work. It just takes me too long. And in the spring I never bother driving to local beauty spots because I know I won't get parked. Also, because the demand for new houses is so high, developers are building them smaller and smaller. My friend just moved into a new build house that is so f-ing small it's more like a garden shed. She has to store her hoover at her mum's house because there is nowhere to put it! But it's never enough. No matter how many fields and trees are destroyed to make way for these disgusting little brick boxes we need more, more, more.

This migration crisis isn't going to stop. Africa has the highest birth rate in the world. Indeed, in parts of Africa women have seven children, on average, and the African population is going to double by 2050. In 1960, there were three billion humans on earth. Today there are eight billion and we're heading for ten. I want a government that ruthlessly protects our borders. Labour certainly won't. Andrew Neather, a Labour advisor, said that Blair's government planned to use mass immigration to "rub the right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." By 'the right', of course, he meant everyone who didn't vote Labour. That will happen all over again.

Yes, very excited.

This.
Although Keir isn't a Corbyn supporter and that might be a crumb of comfort to people in England.

I can't get past the fact that Labour don't know what a woman is.