Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

[roarrfeckingroar]

I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Voted for it, based on a sexed up dossier.

This one sits with your precious Labour.

Thank you for sharing some of your favourite links from your collection, it is most generous of you.
Noting also that you appear to be comfortable with the Home Secretary finding drugging his wife a bit of a joke.

Well we have been told on this thread that Sunak isn't responsible for the GRA still being law in the UK, and there is apparently nothing he can do about that.
Similarly Boris Johnson was apparently not responsible for any of the covid laws, but in fact at the time his role was to tend the pot plants and provide party entertainment to raise morale.

I know this is posted on mn as a way to feel superior but I can’t say the pp stands out from your or other posts as particularly led by the DM

Plus agree with @ElevenSeven the Iraq war is on Blair and Labour.

Do you want the GRA repealed though?

yes or no.. if you can with this one

May I ask a silly question?

Why are some people who, claim to be interested in women's rights, supportive of a government that includes a senior minister who thinks that drugging his wife his a bit of a wheeze?

I have not read the whole act, so do not know if it needs to be repealed in its entiriety. When I have I will be sure to let you know what I find.

And you seem so opinionated on Sunak not doing much, but yes I’d say you’re missing a fair bit of information on the GRA generally and what’s possible

After you’ve read up a yes or no would be 👍

I don't think I have expressed an opinion on Sunak with regard to the GRA.
Merely pointed out that he has and has had for 13 years the opportunity to repeal it if he wanted to, which is a statement of fact, not an opinion.

Facts and opinions being quite different things.

That’s good that you recognise you’re missing a fair bit of information.

This is a good start. There’s a poster who goes over the detail of why it’s difficult to repeal

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4975308-what-do-you-think-should-happen-to-the-gender-recognition-act-gra?reply=132000912

Makes one wonder then why a poster was asking me a short time ago whether I thought it should be repealed. Bit daft of them not knowing all about the situation to ask such a question.

But I do know sufficient about parliamentary process, that the Prime Minister has with his gift the power to decide which bills their government put before parliament and so if repealing or reforming the GRA was important to the Prime Minister there would have been a bill in the King's Speech to that effect. Equally the PM could try and have such a bill past that wasn't even in the King's Speech. Clearly sending no one to Rwanda is more of a priority for the PM than women's rights.

Wow lots of silly pictures and even sillier posts in that link.

The GRA shouldn't be repealed, why do you want to remove all rights from people with Gender dysphoria, do you think they should they be discriminated against?

If you think they shouldn't be, how would you protect them?

Better funding of public services addresses much of the issues identified.

Sunaks view is "the GRA strikes the right balance.... and he has no plans to change it"

This is also Badenochs position too or she'd resign, collective cabinet responsibility.

You might say yes or no. Others do and did on that thread

I know it’s your challenge to answer questions but yes read up, you’re lacking a fair bit of info

Did you say whether you want males to continue to use female spaces?

The way it works is, as i asked the first question, you answer that one and then i'll answer yours.

I'm sure you must have missed it as your very keen on others answering yours.

I asked in an earlier post so it was first. So feel free to respond then I will.

Pro Labour posters seem to go all Starmer with these questions

Should males continue to access female spaces?

Easy one.. yes or no

Edited for - biological males as Labour lack clarity

I'll refer you to my previous answer on this:

Well firstly, what proportion of trans people do you think there are? If this is happening it will be at a very low figure, under 1%.

Secondly, if transwomen are included in the women's stats for any given country this would actually lower the overall women's performance on these key areas, as we know that transwomen, as a demographic, have poorer levels of health, educational attainment, economic participation and opportunity, and political empowerment relative to non trans people.

So this should actually worsen the figures for women in these countries.

Amazing then, that these countries are all still doing so well for women and are at the top of the table for women's parity with men, despite according to many here, 'Not knowing what a woman is'.

Lol in my post you referred too i asked how would Trans people be protected.

However, to avoid going around in circles, no, men shouldn't be in womens spaces, as i said above, much of this occurs because of poorly funded public services.
I linked to the care issues earlier, DV refuge's? fund them properly, womens sport? change the law instead of doing SFA and relying on sporting bodies to do it, e.g if British Cycling can ban trans women in female competitions, why couldn't the Govt?
Why isn't Badenoch doing this???

By the way, the GRA and the ease of GRCs being issued should be reformed not repealed.

Now your turn.

No, but I am pretty despondent with the lot of them.

no, men shouldn't be in womens spaces

Finally. Good so a male with a GRC won’t have access even though legally female. You’ll need a way to exclude them by law. Labour oppose the suggestion of biological sex in EqA but it would do it.

I could say yes or no, but as a previous poster tried to explain repealling the GRA apparently is quite difficult, so answering yes or no, like the question is a little daft.

Can you address the points I have made please? It's been a lot of waffle and side-tracking ...

Why do you think your obsessive fixation on 'What a woman is' is the be all and end-all?...

...When the top 4 countries in the world to be a woman in have all proceeded with gender self-ID ...

...and remain at the top of the tables for women's parity with men?