Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

[roarrfeckingroar]

I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

This shows you are unaware of too many things to do with gender ideology so it’s too much to bother. But try FWR for insight

No, the figures circulated by Labour as the amount of VAT that would be generated on school fees are inaccurate as they don’t take into the VAT that schools would be able to reclaim. If they can’t get that right, what else will they get wrong (or use to
mislead the public)….

Well I wouldn't say excited is the right word , but certainly would massively prefer it to this bunch of complete self interested asset stripping europhobic numpties - a great many of whom seem thick as shit

I am too worn down by years of fucking Tories and the twats who voted for them believing they would be anything other than disastrous. Will it be exciting - more like a relief to have grown ups who give a shit about something other than their cronies in charge.

The Conservatives have broken the country-I can’t wait to see the back of them. The current rabble of Gullis, Patel, Braverman, Sunak and Cleverly are incompetent, self-serving liars and a clean sweep is just what is needed.

😂 although depressing at the same time

Challenge for what? I’ll take any Labour view on women over the current Home Secretary’s who wants a Stepford wife and thinks sedating her is acceptable.

🤣 ok!

HoLs will hopefully happen in the next parliament.
That is surely something we can all be excited about for the next government.

I don't believe this at all. Would love to see the source for this.

I will not vote Tory but just be aware high tax rates are driving people away. The 1% pay 36% of tax.

A friend who is an accountant has lost two clients this year who emigrated for tax reasons, they and their largely digital businesses are now based in Dubai and the UK lost millions in tax revenue.

When an average wage earner leaves there is little impact on taxes, when a very higher earner leaves the UK loses big amounts of tax - the consequences of that is either lower earners pay more tax or we cut services. Other countries want higher earners to move there and create jobs (and pay some taxes too) we need to keep our 1% super rich in the UK to pay tax here.

Quite incredible.

The Tories have no plans to change the GRA, just blame someone else, in this case the ECHR.

All talk, no action.

Anyone going on about the GRA as if they’ve only just discovered Labour brought it in here you go on what repealing it means

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4975308-what-do-you-think-should-happen-to-the-gender-recognition-act-gra?reply=131959444

UK tax burden is below the OECD average, we will never compete with Dubai, no western country can.
USA has higher business taxes, have MS or Apple moved?

When you say the Super Rich, do you mean nr billionaires like Sunak, who pays around 22% tax on his mainly unearned income?

I think they could lose on the gender issues. I don’t why any woman would vote for them. Poor Rosie!

@alltootired me too. I certainly wouldn't be voting based on the fact a Tory knows what a woman is- I've just come back from Sweden- all our hotel toilets were unisex and cubicles- didn't seem too big a deal for anyone and to be frank when people like Shaun Bailey today go on about Carolvorderman daring to be political as well as having 'stylised pics' on insta showing she has a great bum and boobs- it's clear what plenty of Tory blokes think about attractive women too- there to be seen and not heard, preferably whilst keeping the house nice.

You hope. Many, many women will vote for them because their focus isn’t narrowed down to a single issue. Why doesn’t “Poor Rosie” stand for another party?

Can I ask your thoughts about the top 4 countries in the world for women's parity with men on the 4 key dimensions of Economic Participation and Opportunity, Educational Attainment, Health and Survival, and Political Empowerment, and their introduction of more relaxed gender self-ID policies?

I'm not excited by anyone from any party getting in! They lack skills and care, they talk a lot and say nothing, they change with the wind and none of them seem to have a handle on what things really cost and what is important to the majority of us, always focusing on the small stuff when the majority of us want the big stuff of life sorted. As for money, there is none and giving more to institututions being badly run, just gives them more money to waste. We need to see those who are in government, local and national, being held to account and only being allowed into parliament when they have something they can contribute to it. Sadly having seen some of the Labour politicians in action, in person, I fear for what comes next if they get into power and I fear what the Conservatives will do to the nation if they get back in! Never seen such a poor collection of MPs in my voting life!

Labour all the way. Get rid of this current shit show.

Why have Labour got so many women MPs?

Do you think they are all stupid?

Yes I do actually - I don’t know why they have stayed silent

You’ll never get an answer. Anything that conflicts with that narrow view gets a stiff ignoring round here.

Starmer has to be a better prospect than what we've had for the last few years - surely?

Yep people will vote over the economy, always do.

I guess thats why Sunak is banking on a late 2024 election but whilst he will bet on a 2% inflation rate, all it means is that we still have very high prices still going UP.

No matter what you think of Labour, there's too much of a mess to sort out in a few years, they'll get the blame for not sorting it out, and lose the next election before they've had chance to fix much 🤷🏼‍♀️