Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

What, just like the old Etonians and wealthy land owning bunch of tories running the country at the moment?

I am excited by integrity and competence at present.

They ought to be givens in anyone who wants to be Prime Minister, but have been absent for many years.

I’ve been a Labour supporter all my life, I won’t be voting for this torylite excuse of a leader.

No. My girls (and I) would be even less safe under a Labour government, let alone the current rubbish Tory government.

Starmer is easily swayed?

Is that compared to Sunak.
August Stop the Boats
September We need more climate change = increase migration and boats
October Stop the Boats
November Goodness what a lot of immigrants I have voted to let into this country lets stop the boats.
December Actually those measures I said we would introduce on immigration, we aren't going to do that until we are long since out of government.

Did is flip flops get confused?

I truly believe that the current government would have preferred to not have any quarantines during Covid and were quite happy to just let loads of people die. Someone must have told them in no uncertain terms that this was not going to fly. I think health care workers would have all mostly walked out in such a situation.

See, now your not as clever as you think. It's a labour thing. Brought out in 2004. When Blair was in charge.

And I know you know this, just trying to muddy the waters. Have you heard of the internet? It's a thing you use to find facts.

In a word yes. I am excited. I'm excited that there might be a decent human being steering the ship instead of one plucked from a morally bankrupt clutch of toffs that care more about share holder dividends and keeping their hunting friends happy than they do about us. If anyone is in any doubt about what the Tories stand for, read the history books and then read up on why the Labour party was created in the first place.

jgw1 - It was only a couple of years ago that Starmer claimed it was wrong to say that only women have a cervix, so he definitely doesn't know what a woman is. He won't be getting my vote.

No. We are going to be bankrupt in 5 years. Angela and her cronies would have wrestled control from a very weak leader like Starmer - I give him max 12 months, maybe 16 months. The country will be led by Corbynites. They are just keeping their heads down and biding their time.

I don’t think people have any idea just how bad things can get. They have short memories of the overspending, spiralling economy and lack of competence.

How would you be less safe?

When last in office, Labour has shown that they prioritise the funding of public services. There is no arguments of the facts that education and the NHS have been cut repeatedly since 2010. The Tories prioritise cutting taxes for the rich.

So unless you are rich you don't benefit from a Tory government. The majority of us wouldn't.

Yes 2004 and a complete fuck up which Labour will embrace further

No I’d be horrified if Labour got in.

That was certainly the view of the Treasury, which is why the introduced Eat out to Help out without consulting anyone who knows anything about diseases.
I wonder what every happened to the Chancellor at the time - really dull chap as I remember, no character at all.

I have dds and it will be a disaster for them.

A decent human being with an in depth understanding of human rights that supports turning off water and power and aid to Gaza ! This is a war crime…..he supports war crimes.

I don't think Labour is up to the job.

And I think the calibre of politicians (as leaders and representatives) is utterly dire.

What I would like to see is a return to the days when people stood for parliament only after a successful career in something completely different. So they brought experience and competence and breadth to the House. Westminster has always been rather a bubble, but wind back 50 years or so ago and it wasn't such a small, tight, self-perpetuating little bubble

That is indeed what the law says.
Are you saying that Starmer is wrong to say what the law says?

Now if the government who has been in office for 13 years don't like that particular law, one could wonder why they haven't done anything about it.

I live overseas and planned this to be for just a few years. If Labour are in I am not coming back so that may count as genuinely excited.
The thought of anti-semitic party in power is just too much, let alone the lack of economic competence.
I do agree the Tories have made some awful choices so its looking like a challenge to pick the most competent.
On the upside after Labour the house prices will be a lot lower making a return a lot more appealing.

Labour are not able to recognise women or girls so how are we safe in hospitals and prisons with male rapists dressed as women?

Would you like for example a politican who had a successful career as a lawyer and lead a major organisation such as the Crown Prosecution Service?

Very, very excited. I might be even more excited the morning after the next election day than I was on 2 May 1997 and I was ecstatic that morning.

Exactly this

wales under Labour is not an appealing prospect

i don’t know what Labour stand for

Keir has been dreadful on women’s rights

it will be just different incompetence

Fear not. The Tories have ensured that rapists aren't sent to prison which makes us all safer apparently.

Now that is a joke, like the Jimmy Saville cover up? The cps is a shit show.