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Would you resent a colleague who has this ‘privilege’

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Resentedpumpkin · 18/12/2023 16:49

Which is actually a reasonable adjustment?

Asd and adhd plus ME - I’m needing more and more breaks due to ASD and avoiding shutdown. It’s been agreed on my return after 2 weeks off (shutdown and selective mutism) . So now when it gets too much I’m able to log off (if WFH) or leave my desk for up to 30 mins as many times as needed per day.

it’s been once or twice a day but yesterday happened 4 times (10 mins, 30 mins, 25 mins and 5 mins)

Had some sarcastic and off remarks about it from others and now just feeling shit and embarrassed. Everyone is aware of my conditions so it’s not like they don’t know

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cezannesapple · 18/12/2023 19:53

escapethemaze · 18/12/2023 19:52

it is relevant or not as to whether one
may feel resentment in this scenario

You are just fabricating scenarios.

cerisepanther73 · 18/12/2023 19:54

@Resentedpumpkin @donquixotedelamancha

It's also unfair 😕 that you are receiving just as much pay for less effort work put in compared to others working at your work place too,

It's hardly rocket 🚀 science why some of your work colleagues are bit pissed off 🙄 to say the least really,

These other workers maybe have personal issues at home they are struggling finding challenging to be forcussed on work related matters
aswell as having to carry you along too at @Resentedpumpkin too,

Is there enough emotional support for any workers there at your place such as access to good counselling therapy ect for them top?

cerisepanther73 · 18/12/2023 19:54

Typo mistake too *

RedSnail · 18/12/2023 19:55

@cezannesapple she’s said that it is a reasonable adjustment, which for permanent conditions like ASD and ME is a long term arrangement.

When I had to introduce breaks due to developing ME I got a sick note for reduced hours and used this to work less hours for the same pay by taking breaks whenever needed. Colleagues understood as this was a defined period of sick leave. During the 3 months sick note for reduced hours I found out what pattern of breaks worked for me and only at that point did I go through the formal process of requesting the reasonable adjustments (7hrs working hours, 2 hours breaks, and reduced work days per week with pay reduced accordingly). The reasonable adjustments are signed off and remain permanently, they’re not a temporary period like a sick note is.

The easiest solution for OP is get a sick note that recommends the reduced hours, use this time to work out what you can cope with, then arrange reasonable adjustments that enabled you to manage your disability and arranges pay to reflect the hours you will work

Simpleblessingsxx · 18/12/2023 19:55

According to your medical history I think you should be extremely proud of yourself in how you cope with everything and manage your conditions. I also think your employer should be recognised for showing such understanding of your needs. Perhaps if your colleagues ever have reason to require the same adjustments they may think twice before resenting people in the future. Keep up the good work.

escapethemaze · 18/12/2023 19:56

cezannesapple · 18/12/2023 19:53

You are just fabricating scenarios.

no

i asked what do you do and where do you go

and i was accused of being disabilist and that it was irrelevant

so my examples were explaining how the answers are most definitely relevant to the question

clear?

TeenLifeMum · 18/12/2023 19:56

We take breaks when we need to in our office - I’ve never micro managed my team’s hours and so long as they’re doing their work I don’t mind at all. I’ve had stressful calls and gone for a walk after to process - actually usually come up with a solution when I do this. Thinking time is work.

It does depend on your workplace though and if there’s a crisis then I can’t take a break.

some people on here are quite unkind or work in very controlling workplaces. Only you know what’s okay in your workplace and if your hours impact others. I’d suggest being very open with your boss.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 18/12/2023 19:56

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BusyMummyWrites · 18/12/2023 19:57

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/12/2023 19:28

I think we all know why the OP hasn’t answered the questions about whether she makes the time back or whether she just works fewer hours than her colleagues.

There is no requirement to work hours back for a reasonable adjustment or phased return, people unhappy with that need to take it through their line manager.

Ironically these work colleagues will forget their griping if they find themselves being phased back into work after a heart attack, slipped disc or a major operation at some point in the future!

cezannesapple · 18/12/2023 19:58

RedSnail · 18/12/2023 19:55

@cezannesapple she’s said that it is a reasonable adjustment, which for permanent conditions like ASD and ME is a long term arrangement.

When I had to introduce breaks due to developing ME I got a sick note for reduced hours and used this to work less hours for the same pay by taking breaks whenever needed. Colleagues understood as this was a defined period of sick leave. During the 3 months sick note for reduced hours I found out what pattern of breaks worked for me and only at that point did I go through the formal process of requesting the reasonable adjustments (7hrs working hours, 2 hours breaks, and reduced work days per week with pay reduced accordingly). The reasonable adjustments are signed off and remain permanently, they’re not a temporary period like a sick note is.

The easiest solution for OP is get a sick note that recommends the reduced hours, use this time to work out what you can cope with, then arrange reasonable adjustments that enabled you to manage your disability and arranges pay to reflect the hours you will work

I hope OP reads your post and finds it helpful.

theduchessofspork · 18/12/2023 19:58

I think it’s perhaps not being managed in the best way - logging in and out sounds like a pain for everyone.

Either just doing half days (if you could get through that) or having a month off completely with a phased return of half days seems much better.

I would talk to your union rep and Hr tomorrow and suggest an alternative route. If you don’t have a union join one now or speak to a disability at work advisory body.

If you’ve done well for 4 years then I’d hope a proper break would sort you out.

donquixotedelamancha · 18/12/2023 19:58

cerisepanther73 · 18/12/2023 19:54

@Resentedpumpkin @donquixotedelamancha

It's also unfair 😕 that you are receiving just as much pay for less effort work put in compared to others working at your work place too,

It's hardly rocket 🚀 science why some of your work colleagues are bit pissed off 🙄 to say the least really,

These other workers maybe have personal issues at home they are struggling finding challenging to be forcussed on work related matters
aswell as having to carry you along too at @Resentedpumpkin too,

Is there enough emotional support for any workers there at your place such as access to good counselling therapy ect for them top?

I can't understand why you keep @ ing me. Your posts don't really seem to relate to mine.

Have you confused me with the OP or are you very upset that I offered some basic advice about how to handle this professionally?

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 18/12/2023 19:59

escapethemaze · 18/12/2023 19:56

no

i asked what do you do and where do you go

and i was accused of being disabilist and that it was irrelevant

so my examples were explaining how the answers are most definitely relevant to the question

clear?

Given the scenarios you have suggested as possible reset breaks, I think I was justified in using the word "disablist".

Elmeux · 18/12/2023 20:00

Hi OP. I wouldn't resent this, I'd actually be concerned that you didn't take enough time off originally, and came back to work too soon. You said you've been there 4 years and managed, but then there was a specific incident that triggered/worsened your current symptoms, and it sounds like things are escalating now. Your colleagues sounds like arseholes if they're making comments like the ones you've said, but could it be that they don't fully understand the situation?
I hope things improve for you.

donquixotedelamancha · 18/12/2023 20:00

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This.

Moonlaserbearwolf · 18/12/2023 20:00

How do your colleagues even know that you’re having special breaks? It should be nobody’s business but yours and the people in the company who have arranged this with you.
Sorry you are going through this. It may be that the role is not right for you longer term, but your boss/HR can work with you on this and your colleagues need to understand that.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 18/12/2023 20:01

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 18/12/2023 19:48

Everything you've just said.

I note that continually, neurotypical people claim a monopoly on empathy, asserting that autistic people lack it, yet on this thread we see that lauded neurotypical empathy shown in all its glory. 😂

What app do you use that highlights NT posters?

Paddleboarder · 18/12/2023 20:02

It wouldn't bother me at all as long as there wasn't extra pressure on me because of it.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 18/12/2023 20:04

cerisepanther73 · 18/12/2023 19:54

@Resentedpumpkin @donquixotedelamancha

It's also unfair 😕 that you are receiving just as much pay for less effort work put in compared to others working at your work place too,

It's hardly rocket 🚀 science why some of your work colleagues are bit pissed off 🙄 to say the least really,

These other workers maybe have personal issues at home they are struggling finding challenging to be forcussed on work related matters
aswell as having to carry you along too at @Resentedpumpkin too,

Is there enough emotional support for any workers there at your place such as access to good counselling therapy ect for them top?

It's also unfair 😕 that you are receiving just as much pay for less effort work put in compared to others working at your work place too

Bingo square: Disabled people put in the same effort or less than everyone else for the same output.

A disability, by definition, means that OP puts in more effort than everyone else for the same output. It's unfair that she has work extra-hard to accommodate all your neurotypical adjustments, like short-notice meetings, big shared offices, and small talk in order to produce the same amount.

Youcanpayit · 18/12/2023 20:04

There's a lot of replies on this thread that are giving Mean Girls vibes. Bitchy, nasty, entitled, horrible fuckers, that don't have an ounce of empathy. I'm getting second hand embarrassment reading that people would be raising an eyebrow or feeling disgruntled that a colleague would be being supported at work with a hidden disability. Horrible, horrible bastards.

Haydenn · 18/12/2023 20:05

A reasonable adjustment is a change that allows you to complete your job. If you can’t complete your job then the job might not be right for you- the disabilities act entitles you to support but not a job that you can not complete without the necessary support.

if you are being honest with yourself can you complete your role with reasonable adjustments or does it still negatively impact on your performance? Mumsnet can’t answer that for you. So the question is how are you performing in the role.

AfraidToRun · 18/12/2023 20:05

I think a more equitable solution would be you reduce your hours to x over 5 days. You could then take a reasonable amount to breaks without needing to make the time up. In my company not working hours in per contract was a temporary adjustment, 2 mths max.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 18/12/2023 20:07

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 18/12/2023 20:01

What app do you use that highlights NT posters?

It's called "Reading Comprehension 1.0" and it tells me very quickly that someone is NT because they are expressing NT values and beliefs. See also: that jack-in-the-box comment on page one.

ChishiyaBat · 18/12/2023 20:07

RedSnail · 18/12/2023 19:46

@cezannesapple I’m not the OP no but I do have ME, ASD and selective mutism so I can understand the OPs challenges. It isn’t a reasonable adjustment to work less hours for the same pay permanently, it’s only understandable when instructed by a sick note

And what about all the lazy bastards with no disabilities whatsoever who take the piss on a daily basis and have to be carried by the rest of the team, but still get paid the same as everyone else? There has been one or more in every job i've ever had!

Ap42 · 18/12/2023 20:09

It's really none of your colleagues business. OP has a disability, and is entitled to reasonable adjustments. It's makes me wonder if some of these posts wouldn't be quite so rude if OP had a physical disability!

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