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Would you resent a colleague who has this ‘privilege’

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Resentedpumpkin · 18/12/2023 16:49

Which is actually a reasonable adjustment?

Asd and adhd plus ME - I’m needing more and more breaks due to ASD and avoiding shutdown. It’s been agreed on my return after 2 weeks off (shutdown and selective mutism) . So now when it gets too much I’m able to log off (if WFH) or leave my desk for up to 30 mins as many times as needed per day.

it’s been once or twice a day but yesterday happened 4 times (10 mins, 30 mins, 25 mins and 5 mins)

Had some sarcastic and off remarks about it from others and now just feeling shit and embarrassed. Everyone is aware of my conditions so it’s not like they don’t know

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 18/12/2023 18:45

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And here come the neurotypicals wanting their neurotypical accommodations that they don't even recognise as accommodations.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 18/12/2023 18:46

randomstress · 18/12/2023 18:41

Where does the undone work go? Do they just send it to the shredder?

I have an individual caseload of clients, if I don't see them then they go unseen ( at least for a couple of weeks) if I don't do my paperwork it sits there until I do, likewise my emails.
In my line of work my hours don't have much impact on the colleagues.

But a massive impact on clients and the business as a whole. Potentially costing the business money?

MaidOfSteel · 18/12/2023 18:46

I'm all for reasonable adjustments. Indeed, I had many in my last job. But, eventually, it gets to the stage where there are no more adjustments to be made, no new assistive technology to help, and it will come to capability proceedings and dismissal.

It sounds like your employer is going over and above to help you. It is their decision to do this. Yes, your colleagues will feel aggrieved because you're not working your full hours while they are, but try not to let it get to you.

Just do your best and see how these adjustments work, but be prepared for the eventuality that you might not be able to work, at least in this job.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 18/12/2023 18:48

I also have additional breaks for ASD and ADHD op. At my best I take one a week and at my worst I can take multiple breaks per day.

You need to stop letting people bother you. They can only get to you if you let them.

However you do need to tell your manager that criticisms and slights will just add to rejection sensitive dysphoria so they need to manage your other colleagues behaviour as they're purposefully saying things that negatively affect your ability to work.

chopc · 18/12/2023 18:49

I cant believe some of the comments on this thread. OP had go put in 200% effort to be at the same output level as others. She has issues that others do not. So whilst it may seem like privileges, they are not. They help the OP function at the same level as others. Its up to management to ensure that this doesn't impact on the team.

Do you get your work done OP or does anyone else need to take over? If its a latter and is likely to be a long term problem, then your managers need to find a sustainable solution.

Dorriethelittlewitch · 18/12/2023 18:49

I can’t imagine even noticing!

Depends on the job surely. I was well aware of a colleague's adjustments because it meant I was being asked to take on elements of their work load at short notice, primarily meetings where I'd be trying to read the case file during the introductions with the added "bonus" that I'd usually get to keep the case. Given my own need for "perfection" and anxiety (diagnosed with gad and ptsd), I absolutely hated being thrown into meetings with other professionals with no prep time.

Other colleagues had adjustments which didn't bother me at all because my work load wasn't impacted.

If the Op's scenario is closer to my first example then I can understand resentment but I think it's a management issue. If its more like the second one, then people are I think are being unreasonable.

Paperwhiteflowers · 18/12/2023 18:49

I am finding some of the comments on this thread eye opening. The government is looking at forcing people with disabilities, including mental health conditions, particularly anxiety and depression, into the workplace. How on earth are those people to be supported if the attitudes seen here are replicated across the country? People have no idea how disabling some conditions are and how much support people might need to enter and stay in the work place. Some people would want to see them earn less money if they have reasonable adjustments, others are openly resentful to the point of spitefulness and others are thinking people are ‘taking the piss.’ Not a very edifying read at all. God forbid any one of you suffers a disabling medical episode in your life.

DaughterNo2 · 18/12/2023 18:50

Resentedpumpkin · 18/12/2023 17:06

Selective mutism so calls and meetings can be impossible

Do you feel able to make the time up?
do you feel when ur about to ‘shut down?’

StaunchMomma · 18/12/2023 18:51

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You sound delightful 🙄

Deliria · 18/12/2023 18:51

MummyJ36 · 18/12/2023 17:55

I think this is the key thing really. I’ve worked somewhere before when somebody had an adjustment made and it meant that we all had to pick up their excess workload whilst they still got paid full time. Nobody ever said anything but there was a low level resentment that bubbled away for a long time. However it was really up to us to speak to management / HR and nobody would bite the bullet and do it so it festered on.

I have a feeling OP isn’t replying because it does in some way affect her colleagues, however they really to speak to HR about this because someone higher up the chain has perhaps given this the sign off without really thinking it through.

Love how complying with the law has become 'not thinking it through...'

YuleDragon · 18/12/2023 18:52

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What a ridiculous response.

If other people are struggling and 'getting on with it' and haven't spoken up to ask for help/support that they're legally entitled to, then that is their problem, not people like the OP who have asked for help, and got it, it is NOT special treatment ffs.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 18/12/2023 18:53

LauderSyme · 18/12/2023 17:09

I am shocked by how little understanding and tolerance previous posters and colleagues have for your needs and disabilities.

I really want to say Fuck You to everyone here who has just replied as if you are being precious and privileged.

(Hopefully while I've been typing some wiser, kinder people have posted).

You are not being given privileges, you are being given reasonable adjustments that make it possible for you to work. Otherwise it would be impossible due to your long-term conditions and health needs, which are legally protected under disability rights laws.

These adjustments create a level playing field where otherwise there would be none in the world of work, because ASD, ADHD and ME don't give a toss about being equitable.

Thus, of course these are reasonable adjustments for you, in your circumstances. Your employer believes they are reasonable and you clearly need them, because it sounds like you have been struggling terribly without them.

You are totally entitled to make full and complete use of your adjustments and you should report your snide and unsupportive colleagues to your manager or HR, because they are being discriminatory and horrid.

Absolutely this.

If OP was too ill to work and claiming benefits, the exact same people that are calling her "privileged" on this thread would be calling her "scrounger".

The disablism on Mumsnet continues to disgust me.

Spookymormonhelldream · 18/12/2023 18:54

I work in a large company with decent OH/wellbeing policies. Every so often someone is WFH for several months, or on a managed return, or various other options, due to (undisclosed) needs.
I don't really have any interest in what the issues are, none of my business. I wish them well of course but in terms of resentment? No I don't resent them, but what tends to happen is that you automatically rule these people out when you need something/want to plan a project/etc. It's just sort of assumed that they aren't going to be available so you work around that. Once they are back full time it's like, ah ok there you are, let's get on with it.
I'd give it another week or 2, your colleagues will have moved on. Hope you recover soon OP and that you can get some enjoyment from your job eventually.

Youcanpayit · 18/12/2023 18:54

It wouldn't bother me that you have reasonable adjustments in the workplace.

It makes me happy that there are workplaces that clearly value and are willing to support their disabled and ND employees. Gives me hope for my own daughter.

If your colleagues have a problem with it, they need to be direct and speak to the management about how it's affecting them and what they need, not just be whispery, snidey and moany about pay and workload in your earshot.

UndertheCedartree · 18/12/2023 18:54

KickboxingWanker · 18/12/2023 18:34

I really can’t believe some of the comments on this thread.

Op. No I absolutely wouldn’t resent your reasonable adjustment at all.
we have a lady that has ADHD who has similar adjustments to help her cope The adjustment works really well for her and have got less over time - and she is much more productive than anyone else in the team as she is super focussed whilst she is working.

These people that are resentful of your adjustment are a disgrace and totally lacking in empathy.

Totally agree

Pigsears · 18/12/2023 18:54

I'd have no issue with this. Its for 8 weeks to get an experienced colleague back up to full speed. Much better than no colleague, or training a temporary colleague. Review after 8 weeks- working , all good, if not, then following whatever process happens next. Small timeframe for 4 years of service.

FeetupTvon · 18/12/2023 18:54

These questions have been asked numerous times with no response:
Do you still have a lunchtime break?
Do you make up the missing time?

MummyJ36 · 18/12/2023 18:55

Deliria · 18/12/2023 18:51

Love how complying with the law has become 'not thinking it through...'

That’s not what I meant at all. It’s twofold, one half is complying with the law and making adjustments for the OP and the other half is how it is communicated to the team so everyone knows where they are at in terms of any workload adjustments. Both sit with the manager and/or HR and both are important. I was wondering if this had not been explained clearly to the team and the workload distribution thought through clearly before this new arrangement was put in place. Neither sit with the OP.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 18/12/2023 18:55

Paperwhiteflowers · 18/12/2023 18:49

I am finding some of the comments on this thread eye opening. The government is looking at forcing people with disabilities, including mental health conditions, particularly anxiety and depression, into the workplace. How on earth are those people to be supported if the attitudes seen here are replicated across the country? People have no idea how disabling some conditions are and how much support people might need to enter and stay in the work place. Some people would want to see them earn less money if they have reasonable adjustments, others are openly resentful to the point of spitefulness and others are thinking people are ‘taking the piss.’ Not a very edifying read at all. God forbid any one of you suffers a disabling medical episode in your life.

As one of the 15% or whatever it is autistic people who currently do work, let me tell you how absolutely diabolical it is. And like OP I can go into verbal shut downs. I usually can manage at work but at home the mask comes off and I just feel like I've used up my word count for the day, not to mention the crippling anxiety and trauma that comes with it happening on the reg.

It's hard to prove you're no longer functioning to qualify for additional financial support and your world gets really small when you can no longer work, but work isn't always in your best interest.

I keep having to be signed off sick with burnout, and while my absence triggers are extended due to disability, it obviously can't go on forever.

I'm dreading the legislation that is proposed and trying to be pushed through because it's an enforced life of trauma from the government once it goes through, and even thinking about it makes me think some really dark things about myself that aren't what my usual self would think.

ColleenDonaghy · 18/12/2023 18:56

Agree with the majority - if we were in the type of job where the work needs to be done but it doesn't particularly matter when, then it wouldn't bother me at all and I'd happily be flexible about meetings or calls.

If your absence is adding to others' workloads though then that is a different thing. Perhaps reasonable in the short term in the sense of a phased return, but not in the long term. That's for management to worry about, not you though.

Mrsttcno1 · 18/12/2023 18:59

Deliria · 18/12/2023 18:51

Love how complying with the law has become 'not thinking it through...'

I don’t think this poster is implying that the adjustments shouldn’t have been made, they are simply saying that management might have agreed to the adjustments without thinking through the impact on the team of these adjustments. So not that management should stop the adjustment or change it, but just that they need to also account for the fact OP will be working for less time without that falling on her colleagues to pick up the slack (if it does) :)

A well managed workplace should be capable of providing reasonable adjustments for those that need it without it having a negative impact on other employees.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 18/12/2023 18:59

Resentedpumpkin · 18/12/2023 17:09

I don’t want to say exactly what my job is just In case as I think I’m annoying everyone a lot as it is. I just feel upset as things were fine but I was having to put in 200% effort to be there on time every day and do everything (plus overtime !) and as soon as Ive crumbled for the first time in 4 years and need hopefully just a short term reasonable adjustment it’s caused resentment . I don’t know if it’s just easier to reduce hours I was going to see at the 8 week review and now I just don’t know

This looks to me like autistic burnout. You might need to go off sick for a while to recover.

Also, apply to Access To Work for job coaching to help you better manage working whilst neurodivergent.

ChillysWaterBottle · 18/12/2023 19:00

I wouldn't resent you at all OP, but then I'm not a complete cunt.

I've known people take longer time off in a day for smoke and tea breaks. Some people work slow and some people fast. Some people work consistently and some in bursts. Some people require accomodation, like two of my colleagues who have cared for terminally ill partners, or a colleague who needed time off after being the victim of a distressing crime. Some people have health problems which means they can give less to work. Some people are more committed than others. Some don't have a life outside work so become jobsworths, some people are lazy. Lots of people have 'off' periods in their life, weeks or months when for whatever reason they can't give as much as they used to. Some people are just rubbish at their jobs. I couldn't care less about any of it, I do what I can and no more, and I don't resent anyone who is trying their best. Please ignore your nasty colleagues and PP. Their inability to go through life with any grace or understanding is their problem, not yours.

FreebieWallopFridge · 18/12/2023 19:00

Would it help if this was reframed as an 8 week return to work programme? Because from what you’ve said, that’s what it is. As part of a phased return, these sorts of breaks would be reasonable.

Deliria · 18/12/2023 19:01

Mrsttcno1 · 18/12/2023 18:59

I don’t think this poster is implying that the adjustments shouldn’t have been made, they are simply saying that management might have agreed to the adjustments without thinking through the impact on the team of these adjustments. So not that management should stop the adjustment or change it, but just that they need to also account for the fact OP will be working for less time without that falling on her colleagues to pick up the slack (if it does) :)

A well managed workplace should be capable of providing reasonable adjustments for those that need it without it having a negative impact on other employees.

Agreed, thank you.

Sorry if I misunderstood you @MummyJ36 .