Liz Truss!!?? of all people? wants to ban biological males from female only spaces!

[SwedeCaroline]

I honestly never thought shed say anything sensible - we need to get behind her in this

Liz Truss to propose law banning biological males from single-sex spaces (msn.com)

The italicised quote there is a good example of exactly this weird accusing everyone who isn’t advancing the TRA agenda of things.

But, actually, the argument here is positioning anyone who isn’t all for what the TRAs want as ‘right wing’, hampered by ‘rigid religious thinking’ and ‘bullying’ a ‘minority’ by presenting them as evil.

This looks very much like saying everyone who isn’t with you is ‘evil’ and engaged in a petty ‘culture war’.

The UK is not the USA. There are so many important differences - cultural, economic, political, social, geographical, linguistic.

Maybe, most British people just think that biological men should use the men’s toilets. And the people
agitating otherwise are the ones manufacturing a ‘culture war’ and presenting people as ‘evil’. Or they’re just unwilling to think past #bekind so they accept the activist claims that they’ll find themselves on ‘the wrong side of history’.

It’s not that Liz Truss or anyone in the Conservative Party is somehow producing brilliant policy. The problem is that some of the other parties are so far down the virtue signalling rabbit hole that they haven’t recognised the electorate would like them to just stop with this nonsense, accept that biological sex matters for toilets and hospital wards and prisons, etc, and concentrate on the stuff that actually matters to the majority of the electorate.

I am not sure. Maybe he is spineless, or maybe he really believes in horseshit. Either way it does not help.

A previous poster mentioned Rosie Duffield. If we want to get rid of the Tories without accepting horseshit, we need more leaders in Labour who will not take the wrong tack on this issue. Maybe she is such a leader. I do not know much about her. Does she have leadership gravitas? Does she have a good understanding of other issues?

If yes, how can we support her?

Rosie Duffield is currently being investigated by the parliamentary labour party on extremely dubious grounds.

She has always been spot on on women's rights. She is a brave woman but there is no chance that she will get the backing of Labour to stand as Labour Leader.

They haven't even got her on the list of approved Labour Party candidates because she doesn't believe men are women if they say so.

This recent thread is illuminating https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4950730-duffield-under-investigation?page=1www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4950730-duffield-under-investigation?page=1
That is why I am not excited about having Liz Truss as an "ally" on this subject. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Not anyone with a brain.

If Liz Truss can see this as a way to be credible why can’t labour. Also according to pp this is not new for Liz

It’s not a way to make her credible. That ship’s sailed. She demonstrated in 49 days that she’s utterly bonkers.

boudiccathecat · Yesterday 16:18
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If Liz Truss can see this as a way to be credible why can’t labour. Also according to pp this is not new for Liz”

Nothing she could do would make her credible after the disaster she almost single-handedly wrought. Anyway, most people aren’t single issue voters.

It's the only thing she's ever been right on...
...except, as justice secretary and lord chancellor she happily approved PSI-17/2016 which permitted transwomen to be housed in women's prisons.

I didn’t know that. Add hypocrite to fuckwit.

She’s probably right - quite accidentally - on a range of things. She may well also be right that the earth is round.

But that doesn’t mean anything much, especially when (as the example from her time making prison related decisions shows) we can’t be sure that knowing something will translate into good decisions or actions.

I see Kemi Badenoch has stolen her policy back. But quite honestly if she does do this, and publishes a bill, then it's good. The Government will finally do what it suggests, except that to become law before the election is very difficult. The timing suggests it's a campaign tool.

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/06/gender-affirming-care-for-children-form-of-conversion-therapy-says-badenoch

There were men in women's prisons way before PSI-17/2016.

I don't know that any of them are stealing policy, this was always the policy under human rights treaties. Its the tra who have high jacked the law, which should be taken to the echr, my god how I'd love to see an avalanche of religious / sexism cases against tra in that court!