Liz Truss!!?? of all people? wants to ban biological males from female only spaces!

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I honestly never thought shed say anything sensible - we need to get behind her in this

Liz Truss to propose law banning biological males from single-sex spaces (msn.com)

If there is a culture war (and frankly women's legal rights and existence as equal human beings is not a culture war) then it's being waged by the ones who expect trans to override everyone and everything else. Take responsibility instead of trying to point the finger

Don’t engage? Women shouldn’t talk about something that impacts them, why not?

No it’s distraction @Alltheprettyseahorses

Don’t deceive yourself that they give a shit about the lives of women. Womens rights are important but right now, Liz Truss’s announcement is an attempt to make women feel warmer towards the tories and distract from the harsh international criticism directed at Sunak at and the government for their greenwashing at COP26. It’s also an attempt to unite the right wing of their party.

Because men don't like it?

I mean, only uppity, right wing women would think women should have rights.

TRAs definitely don’t like it.

So why doesn't Keir Starmer do the right thing by women and stop the distraction Tatumm.

You are blaming the failures of the Labour Party on this issue on Liz Truss, why is that?

I find it really infuriating when people dismiss this stuff as ‘culture wars’ and pretend it’s just some dreadful right wing distraction.

Especially as those same people aren’t dismissing TRAs as ‘stoking culture wars’ when they agitate to insist that their ideology must be centred and the entirety of life organised around their preferences.

Why is it that only people who object to this activism are told off for this?

Nothing that person could say would persuade me to “get behind her”. No chance. She knowingly damaged the lives of millions. I don’t care what she thinks about female spaces.

So what are you saying here? You support males in women's single sex spaces and the mutilation of children because you can't stand Liz Truss?

A stopped clock is right twice a day. Even Liz Truss can’t always be wrong about stuff.

The fact she’s picked this is not some right wing culture wars plot; it’s that single sex spaces and the issues around medicalisation of so-called trans kids is actually so mainstream and sensible that the majority of people will end up
in this position.

TRAs and their ‘allies’ have to keep trying to persuade everyone that this stuff is ‘extreme’ because otherwise the BeKind lot might actually start to recognise how extreme the TRA position is.

A distraction from what? Truss has a long history of standing for women. It's Labour who are captured by this so ask them what they're distracting from.

So what are you saying here? You support males in women's single sex spaces and the mutilation of children because you can't stand Liz Truss?”

No. Obviously.

That’s ridiculous. I don’t support either of those things but I would never vote for Liz Truss’s party. Their policies have already disadvantaged thousands of women.

If you don't support those things then you need to be having words with the Labour Party because they do.

It is quite possible, you know, to be a Labour voter and expect more of them on this issue. It is also possible to approve of Liz Truss for bringing this issue to parliament without being a Tory supporter.

So what are labour going to do about it. Can I suggest giving Rosie Duffield a prominent shadow cabinet position. And Keir can invite sex matters to have input into women’s rights.

As if. She’s not even certain to make it on to their re-election candidate list.

That’s the Labour stance on this. That’s why all the obsfucation from the pro-labour crew on this issue, they know nothing similar is coming from their end.

As if Liz Truss is trying to rehabilitate Rishi Sunak, wtf.

Good because I find it very worrying that children can change their name and gender so bloody easily. They dont have the capacity to make such huge, life changing decisions to become a different gender while being so young.

How would I do that? I have very little influence over Labour. They win very few votes in my constituency and haven’t yet appointed a candidate as far as I know.

So let's get this straight, you expect women to shut up about this because it's just a diversion and nasty Tories whilst staying you actually agree that women should have single sex spaces and that children should be protected from gender ideology but you are not actually prepared to do anything about it?

That's like sleepwalking into the removal of women's rights....

It's a good job some of us are prepared to speak out about this, even if that means agreeing with a political party that you find unpalatable.

lljkk · Yesterday 18:37

It's an increasing talking point among right wingers. A great opportunity for culture war votes. Strong appeal to people with rigid religious thinking about morality. So... endorsing intolerance. It's an issue that works well to bring out right wing voters in USA and might have that same effect in UK. It's ok to bully a small minority if you argue they are evil.

Do you like trains to be punctual? So did Mussolini! You support the same thing, so you must be a Fascist, too!

Women have been massively and disproportionately disadvantaged under the tories through their disastrous economic policies and mismanagement, and through their failure to take leadership on tackling the climate crisis.

So no, I won’t support the tories whatever they say about the trans debate.

It doesn’t mean I don’t care about the issue. Women’s right to single sex spaces should be absolute and most of the electorate are with you on this point, and with fairness in women’s sport. But it isn’t the only issue and you are coming across aggressively, so I won’t be engaging further in this batshit thread.

This is nonsensical. You don't have to vote for the Tory Party to expect more of the Labour Party.

You are framing it as Trans Issues incorrectly. It is women's issues and safeguarding of children.

Once the Labour Party get in and they go full throttle on trans rights and introduce self ID and remove the meaning of the word women in it's entirety how will we tell which people are suffering more because of economic policies? The data for women will include males who say they are women. Equal Pay will have no meaning because data on women will include males who were socialised as male and don't have the detriment of childbearing! How will tell whether there is adequate spending on women's issues when women means anyone who says they are one.

And that's not to mention the most vulnerable women in society, the ones who are more likely to end up in refuges or prisons being forced to share with males without consent.

it is batshit that you won't see that it is the Labour Party that needs to act on this to earn the vote of women and the irreparable harm that a vote for the current Labour Party represents. Once we loose our rights they will be harder to get back.

I am a Labour voter but cannot vote labour unless THEY act on this and back Liz Truss's position. They absolutely can do this because the rights of women and children are not a right wing position.

You read my mind.

While I do not think that Liz Truss will cause anyone to start believing that humans can change sex or that women can have penises, I think some people already do believe those falsehoods, and a larger number who may not totally believe them may feel obliged to at least pretend to be believers as well. And we have to be careful what we pretend to be, because we become what we pretend to be.

For the avoidance of doubt, I believe very adamantly that women do not have penises and that humans cannot change sex.

I used to be somewhat open minded on this, but the more I hear the arguments from both sides, the more I find that I hear truth on one side of this argument and horseshit on the other side, and one of my weaknesses (which is sometimes also a strength) is that I lack the ability to tolerate horseshit.

I do fear that when some of the loudest proponents of truth are people who either have lost all credibility (like Liz Truss) or people who are fundamentally obnoxious (too many to name), it can give comfort and reinforcement to such people. They do not want to be seen as "belonging" with Liz Truss or the likes of Matt Walsh (to name just one example in the obnoxious column), so instead, they espouse certain falsehoods in order to be "socially acceptable."

That is why I am not excited about having Liz Truss as an "ally" on this subject. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

That is why I am not excited about having Liz Truss as an "ally" on this subject. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Well wouldn't it be wonderful if the leader of the opposition could be an ally to women and children.

Why won't he step up?