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Awake stewing at 3am due to disgraceful party etiquette

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Anonymouse2019 · 27/11/2023 03:50

It was recently my daughter's 4th birthday party. She attends a nursery preschool and she is one of the eldest so most of the other children are still 3 years old.

We didn't know who her closest friends were when writing invitations about 6 weeks ago so decided to invite the whole class of 18 kids. 13 RSVP'd, 10 of those could come.

With the invitations addressed to the children, we included a little note for parents/guardians with a bit more info about the venue and a little bit about our child which was relevant to the party. We also stated that a gift for our child wasn't necessary and that their child's company would be the best gift for our little girl (mainly that was us being diplomatic in a COL crisis) BUT we said if their child wanted to give or make a card for our daughter, that would be lovely and that we would keep them in her memory box for when she was a bit older (after she'd opened them, obviously).

Also in this note we said that the entrance fee and lunch for their child was covered but if the invited child wished to bring siblings, the parent/guardian would need to purchase food at the venue for that/those siblings.

I'll get to the point now.

One mum of a boy, F, replied saying he could attend. She did bring her child to the party and she also brought the child's older cousin (not invited as not a sibling but anyway...). Cousin was 8 years old.

F's older cousin sat down with the invited younger children and was helping himself to party food when we'd specifically said non-imvited children must have meals paid for separately by parents. The adult with them stood there and did nothing but I didn't realise until the meal was nearly over because there was so much going on in the room. Several other kids brought siblings and ALL their parents paid for those siblings' meals except for F's mother.

F was a pushy, grabby bully. He was pushing the other invited children about with no interference from his mum. I was wrapping cupcakes in clean napkins to add to the children's party bags (after they'd already had some birthday cake) and F came over and started grabbing at the cupcakes, running the icing and details on 4 or 5 of them. I very gently said these were to take home, they were not for now but he could have some more birthday cake instead. He started to scream. Not wanting other guests/parents to think I was hurting this child or being mean, I gave him a cupcake (one he'd ruined by trying to grab them) and he disappeared with it. No other children did this.

At the end of the day, they were the only guests not to say goodbye, or thank you for inviting them. More importantly they didn't wish my daughter a happy birthday or acknowledge her at all.

We came away with a small stack of cards and a couple of presents which was lovely. My child opened them later at home. None of them were from F.

F had taken home, as had all the other invited guests, a party bag put together by me, which contained some children's colouring stuff, a pot of bubbles, sweets, mini packet of biscuits and a little rubber stamp, plus the cupcake. Of course it was our choice to provide these and we were happy to.

So, F's cousin got a free meal when he shouldn't have (there wasn't plenty to go round either!), he got an extra cupcake and ruined several others which had to be thrown away, they didn't acknowledge our daughter in any way and didn't make or buy her a card. They also didn't say goodbye and I'm fact slipped out without us realising right at the end. F's behaviour was also disgusting yet he got his party bag and everything else paid for by us.

I woke at 3am thinking about the injustice of this and have been wondering if I should hand his mum a note on the school run, or even invoice her for the cousin's meal and the ruined cupcakes, but for the sake of about £10 it doesn't seem worth the bad feeling and aggro for every school run hereon in, however letting the mother get away with all this scot-free to me is not okay either.

Obviously we know not to invite F to anything again, but should I say something in private away from kids and other parents to his mum or is that a step too far?

OP posts:
itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 27/11/2023 12:01

MotherOfHouseplants · 27/11/2023 09:09

Let me get this straight. We have here an OP who clearly has an issue with fixating on negatives, and your idea of ‘women supporting women’ is to present her with a neat summary of all the negative comments made to her on this thread?

No, let ME get this straight, I was pointing out all the unhelpful comments.
How there are too many people on this forum who can't wait to add their nasty comments.
"Fixating on negatives" is quite a reach, how did you come up with that over one issue?
Complete exaggeration on your part.
She was having a rant, getting it off her chest, asking for a sense check not a pile on.
Please don't get into a battle of wits with me, you'll be completely unarmed and helpless

MotherOfHouseplants · 27/11/2023 12:10

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 27/11/2023 12:01

No, let ME get this straight, I was pointing out all the unhelpful comments.
How there are too many people on this forum who can't wait to add their nasty comments.
"Fixating on negatives" is quite a reach, how did you come up with that over one issue?
Complete exaggeration on your part.
She was having a rant, getting it off her chest, asking for a sense check not a pile on.
Please don't get into a battle of wits with me, you'll be completely unarmed and helpless

I'm happy with my inference. OP has fixated on one guest out of ten and was up at 3am with spiralling thoughts. I think it would really help her to move past this if she re-focused on what I am sure are the many positives of the day.

Thanks for the giggle from your final sentence, anyway. It was much needed. Have a good day.

LolaSmiles · 27/11/2023 12:10

Whilst the OP has been stewing a bit too much, some of the comments aren't very nice.

Most of us have been to parties where at least one child is rude, poorly supervised and has a parent/carer who doesn't bother to do anything whilst their child runs wild. Many people will have experienced some CF parents at times.

MN would be a very empty place if people weren't allowed to get anything off their chest if someone somewhere is in a worse situation than them. I wonder if the people throwing around the "but someone else has it worse" are the same people who see threads about toxic family dynamics and tell posters to get a grip because some people haven't got their mothers, so they should be grateful to have a living mum.

The OP will live and learn, and probably look back and laugh.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

housethatbuiltme · 27/11/2023 12:13

Muddybooties · 27/11/2023 11:18

So, I got to the bit where you described putting in an explanatory note regarding everything - the no present required, but make a card for the memory box, the bring siblings but I’m not paying for them, further explanations about your daughter etc etc… I actually said “oh my god” out loud because it strikes me as quite bonkers.

All you need is:-

X is turning 4!
Come to her party at X location
X time
RSVP <insert phone number>

Everyone knows the activity and food is covered for the invited child.
And if they bring a present and you don’t want it, donate to charity.

Sometimes people behave like dicks and that is that. Obnoxious uninvited kid eats food they aren’t entitled to - you go up to the parent/guardian and say excuse me, can you step in and deal with this please.

Don’t go up and try and speak to the parent now - they won’t care! And don’t go round spreading shit about them to others either, it’s social suicide and your child will suffer.

Chalk it up to experience.

FYI invite etiquette - most up until reception have a family party, maybe inviting a few close friends from nursery at most. Reception to yr 1 mainly full class invites. yr 2+ invite the kids same sex as your child, until the point when they start to only want a few best mates to celebrate; usually yr 4-6.

I disagree with the 2+ same sex thing.

My DS best friend was a girl. The only 3 kids he didn't really get on with where boys. He was invited to parties of girls often.

We always did all class parties from reception until year 6.

What I found is over time kids naturally sorted themselves so in reception, year 1 & year 2 there was 18-22 kid attended (so most the class, some brought siblings too).

Year 3 was about 12 kids.

Then year 4, 5 & 6 where the same 8-9 kids who where specifically my DS friends or that he spent lots of time with (the 2/3rds of the football team, DS school 'buddy' with and his best friend).

All where a mix of sexes though.

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 27/11/2023 12:15

DrMarshaFieldstone · 27/11/2023 08:39

‘Verbose’ was me. It means ‘using more words than necessary’ and I stand by it as a factual description of OP’s posts.

Yes, some posters have been a bit shitty but the overwhelming consensus of the thread is that if the OP doesn’t address her obsessive perfectionism she is going to ruin every major event of her daughter’s childhood. She has an opportunity now to address her catastrophising but the window to do so before her DD starts to notice and be affected by her mother’s negativity is narrow, and closing all the time.

Of course, you have done much the same by scrolling through a thread to quote the negatives and ignore the more encouraging posts so perhaps your worldview is similar to OP.

I have read rtft, both good and bad posts

I'd be more worried about your views not making assumptions about my most perfect self, my world view is very balanced thank you.
The op was about a children's b'day party and from that you've decided she's going to ruin every life event for her DC with her obsessive perfectionism (howling at that one) catastrophising (love that for you) and her narrow negativity .
Apologies I can't get into a conversation with someone who uses the word verbose and herself spouts a load of old nonsense.
Have a wonderful day!

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 27/11/2023 12:16

MotherOfHouseplants · 27/11/2023 12:10

I'm happy with my inference. OP has fixated on one guest out of ten and was up at 3am with spiralling thoughts. I think it would really help her to move past this if she re-focused on what I am sure are the many positives of the day.

Thanks for the giggle from your final sentence, anyway. It was much needed. Have a good day.

You're welcome, I'm on a day off and bored!
Have a lovely day ❤️

housethatbuiltme · 27/11/2023 12:16

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 27/11/2023 12:01

No, let ME get this straight, I was pointing out all the unhelpful comments.
How there are too many people on this forum who can't wait to add their nasty comments.
"Fixating on negatives" is quite a reach, how did you come up with that over one issue?
Complete exaggeration on your part.
She was having a rant, getting it off her chest, asking for a sense check not a pile on.
Please don't get into a battle of wits with me, you'll be completely unarmed and helpless

Please don't get into a battle of wits with me, you'll be completely unarmed and helpless

wow... just wow.

Mumsnet at its finest lol.

ThanksItHasPockets · 27/11/2023 12:16

We always did all class parties from reception until year 6.

As a teacher I would say that your school was very unusual. Whole class parties generally stop in juniors, if not before.

DrMarshaFieldstone · 27/11/2023 12:19

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 27/11/2023 12:15

I have read rtft, both good and bad posts

I'd be more worried about your views not making assumptions about my most perfect self, my world view is very balanced thank you.
The op was about a children's b'day party and from that you've decided she's going to ruin every life event for her DC with her obsessive perfectionism (howling at that one) catastrophising (love that for you) and her narrow negativity .
Apologies I can't get into a conversation with someone who uses the word verbose and herself spouts a load of old nonsense.
Have a wonderful day!

U OK hun?

Lotstodotoday · 27/11/2023 12:20

Please don't get into a battle of wits with me, you'll be completely unarmed and helpless

You're not exactly modest are you @itsgoingtobeabumpyride?
That was really very arrogant as well as being insulting to pp!

ElaineMBenes · 27/11/2023 12:21

I disagree with the 2+ same sex thing.

Me too.
DS is in year 4 and there are still mixed sex parties. DS had his party last week and almost half the attendees were girls.
He also gets invited to their parties.
It's nice.

housethatbuiltme · 27/11/2023 12:21

ThanksItHasPockets · 27/11/2023 12:16

We always did all class parties from reception until year 6.

As a teacher I would say that your school was very unusual. Whole class parties generally stop in juniors, if not before.

I don't know if every single other family invited the whole class (probably not as I don't remember DS being invited to the 3 kids he didn't get on with wells parties so either they didn't have them or didn't invite him).

I know at least 2 other parents did whole class parties as well though.

WE always did full class parties (as my mam did for me too)... it probably did not look like that to other people though as the numbers of attendees dropped naturally over time.

DS definitely did get invited to girls parties after year 2 though so 'same sex' is not a 'specific' thing, lots of kids have friends of both sexes.

Myfabby · 27/11/2023 12:25

Lotstodotoday · 27/11/2023 12:20

Please don't get into a battle of wits with me, you'll be completely unarmed and helpless

You're not exactly modest are you @itsgoingtobeabumpyride?
That was really very arrogant as well as being insulting to pp!

Edited

I actually laughed out loud at that.

Gobleki · 27/11/2023 12:27

This shouldn’t have annoyed you so much. Take a chill pill. A kid was naughty and his mum let him- get used to it, this is life now.
If that keeps you awake, how do you deal with real hardship?

All2Well · 27/11/2023 12:28

I apologise that I haven't read the full thread, but in future if something like this happens, don't hesitate in telling the parent;

"I'm so sorry but F's behaviour is ruining my DD's party. He's destroyed some of the cakes as well. Maybe it's all a bit too much for him? Is there anyway you can either keep a closer eye on him or take him home now? Also, you'll have to pay for his cousin's food - I did say on the invite that I could only afford to pay for the children named on the invite."

You are NOT wrong to be livid though. I've seen it time and again at kids parties and it makes my blood boil.

TheValueOfEverything · 27/11/2023 12:32

Noooo don’t say anything, that would be petty.
Statistically, it’s highly likely that if you invite the whole class at least one child / parent will turn out to be antisocial and rude.
It’s just life OP, relax and let it go!

Lotstodotoday · 27/11/2023 12:33

Myfabby · 27/11/2023 12:25

I actually laughed out loud at that.

Edited

I know! Seriously. People can be hilarious😅

DappledThings · 27/11/2023 12:34

Lotstodotoday · 27/11/2023 12:33

I know! Seriously. People can be hilarious😅

It could become a new MN catchphrase. It is a hilariously silly thing to say!

Myfabby · 27/11/2023 12:35

DappledThings · 27/11/2023 12:34

It could become a new MN catchphrase. It is a hilariously silly thing to say!

I've nicked it. I will use it against my teenager😂

Geneve82 · 27/11/2023 12:37

Myfabby · 27/11/2023 09:31

stewing at 3am over this? You've got a fab life if this is what keeps you awake!

i doubt it

Someone who is raging at 3am about this but seems incapable of responding like a capable adult during the incident itself…. is going to spend a heck of a lot of time twisted in anger at all the injustices in her life

TheaBrandt · 27/11/2023 12:39

Honestly after your child’s party ask yourself these questions :

Did my child have fun and went to bed happy?

Was there any lasting damage to any person or property?

If you answer yes and then no to the above it’s a win for another year. Nothing else matters

nettie434 · 27/11/2023 12:40

It's quite ok to have a bit of a rant at 3am. You obviously spent a lot of time thinking about your daughter's party and making it clear what your expectations were in terms of cards and accompanying siblings. I don't think you need to say anything about F. Other parents will have seen how he and how his mother behaved.

Muddybooties · 27/11/2023 12:57

housethatbuiltme · 27/11/2023 12:13

I disagree with the 2+ same sex thing.

My DS best friend was a girl. The only 3 kids he didn't really get on with where boys. He was invited to parties of girls often.

We always did all class parties from reception until year 6.

What I found is over time kids naturally sorted themselves so in reception, year 1 & year 2 there was 18-22 kid attended (so most the class, some brought siblings too).

Year 3 was about 12 kids.

Then year 4, 5 & 6 where the same 8-9 kids who where specifically my DS friends or that he spent lots of time with (the 2/3rds of the football team, DS school 'buddy' with and his best friend).

All where a mix of sexes though.

Edited

@housethatbuiltme

The pick and choose idea doesn’t really fly in my kids schools; in terms of etiquette it would be considered rude and exclusionary.

So no matter which kids are the “best friends” we have to invite all the boys or all the girls depending on sex of DC. Up until about age 8-10 when the “proper” birthday parties are sidelined in favour of cinema, day out that sort of thing.

It’s a shame really, DS would like to have girls at his party, but if we invite the two he is friendly with it means we’d have to invite all 14 girls in his class…. Which would swell the total number attending to 38, and I don’t want to have to deal with that!!

housethatbuiltme · 27/11/2023 13:02

Muddybooties · 27/11/2023 12:57

@housethatbuiltme

The pick and choose idea doesn’t really fly in my kids schools; in terms of etiquette it would be considered rude and exclusionary.

So no matter which kids are the “best friends” we have to invite all the boys or all the girls depending on sex of DC. Up until about age 8-10 when the “proper” birthday parties are sidelined in favour of cinema, day out that sort of thing.

It’s a shame really, DS would like to have girls at his party, but if we invite the two he is friendly with it means we’d have to invite all 14 girls in his class…. Which would swell the total number attending to 38, and I don’t want to have to deal with that!!

I don't understand that would be unenforceable because its sexist and discriminatory.

ElaineMBenes · 27/11/2023 13:03

The pick and choose idea doesn’t really fly in my kids schools; in terms of etiquette it would be considered rude and exclusionary.

So no matter which kids are the “best friends” we have to invite all the boys or all the girls depending on sex of DC. Up until about age 8-10 when the “proper” birthday parties are sidelined in favour of cinema, day out that sort of thing.

That's ridiculous! On so many levels.
You're essentially telling kids they can only be friends with people of the same sex. Why would anyone want to do that?

What's wrong with letting kids invite their actual friends to their party?
No way would I go along with this.