If you're not voting Labour because of Palestine or gender nonsense ...

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Are you really ok with having another Tory government? Because in all honesty that is what you'll get.

Why so?

Nope don’t follow you around but do notice you are on every political and gender critical thread. Not a labour loyalist either but think Starmer is better than Corbyn and that the Tories are due a period out of office to detoxify themselves. That ok ?

but do notice you are on every political and gender critical thread

Lucky me that you do

Yep I post on gender critical threads it’s a key area for me, absolutely.

If Labour has softened at all due to women speaking up then good on us and no thanks to the posters who say stop or no one cares

I’m grateful for all those posters who do the same.

I have voted for both major parties in the past so not a ‘never vote for x party’ which I sometimes see

I’m ok with speaking up on GC issues, I hope other women continue.

Oh gave you seen the newspaper tithe today?
Starmer ready to open the doors to the private sector re the NHS

Thats it. He has sold the NHS too.

Bye bye are for all, let alone those who are disabled or too sick to work. We are heading right into a US system of full profit.

Whats next? MAIDS in The Canadian way where people who can’t work any get treated and therefore ‘chose’ to die instead of living in pain when there are treatments available? I mean it’s cheaper. Much cheaper.

I think you’ve misunderstood. Perhaps your source has spun it so you would.

Watching the greens wag the tail of the SNP, pushing them to more and more extreme expressions of gender identity religiosity has been insightful. I think the Lib Dems would have the potential to do the same.

This. Its either Conservative or conservative lite with a whole load of misogynistic, anti semitic bullshit thrown in. I truly despair and have no idea where my vote is going atm

For the avoidance of doubt, here's an open letter that details the regard for gender critical voices in the party and the state of the complaints process when women attempt to resist gender ideology.

https://liberalvoiceforwomen.org/blog/open-letter-daisy-cooper

Perhaps I misunderstood, but I think this is about the Lib Dems, not Labour?

My priorities are health, housing & education and I think the current Labour Party will make a better fist of these than the current government (it would be hard to be worse).

I am not swayed by gender issues - I work in a sector with very vocal minorities on both sides knocking lumps out of each other on this issue. The vast majority don’t want to get involved so I don’t think it is a vote swinger for that many people. I understand Starmer’s stance on Palestine, which is the same as the current government’s- so again, not a vote changer.

Any party being in power for too long leads to complacency and corruption - it is time for a change.

This is just my response to the question why I would vote for Labour if it was at risk of needing to form a coalition with the LibDems to form a government. As it is, I don't think it will come to that.

Me, neither.

They can't be as bad as this government.

Oh boo fucking hoo.

Yeah stuff the poor, the elderly, the disabled, our kids' education, the NHS, homeless people in their outrageous tents! Vote tory. Make rich people and their mates even richer and the world a bit shittier for most people 🙈🙄

Yes!

Remind me what Labour have said that suggests that it can and will improve any of these issues?

I mean, I see Reeves saying she isn't interested in the disabled and the jobless and Streeting saying Labour will hold the door open for further private enterprise in the nhs. Maybe the homeless can keep their tents? I guess that's free to implement.

Labour has never said it has a blank cheque book to pay for everything (nor do the Tories although they ahve been spending like it has gone out of fashion in my view albeit spending less of our money than Labour might).

Yes VAT on school fees another reason not to vote Labour 20% of children at sixt form level are at private schools - Labour may forget that and plenty of the other 80% might aspire if things financially improve for the family to pay in due course.

There are some radical Labour policies I prefer actually eg I was against lockdown but the mainstream Labour and Tory parties and much of the rest of the planet thought it was fine to restrict our rights and freedoms. We are now saddled with massive furlough debts for a generation which both political parties supported as interest rates rise and the state pays more and more interest.

Reeves never said that at all, opposite in fact, you just made that up.

Streeting has said use the private sector to help reduce waiting lists in the short term & get some people back in work as a bonus.

Nowt wrong with that, why should people be in pain because of political dogma?

Longer term yes it would be.

I wont be voting labour based on their erosion of women’s rights. Honestly not sure what I’ll be voting, it may come down to who I think makes the best PM this time rather than party.

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Everyone who feels (like me) that the Labour Party is their natural home, but feels some disquiet about some of their policies, should maybe join, and try to change things from within! I haven’t, but maybe I should? I don’t know…

I guess you and OP both missed the part where women have been expelled from the Labour Party, or even banned from joining.

You've tried Corbyn and no-one (thankfully) voted for him.

I agree with them on Palestine, but not on the gender stuff, I think we need a new government regardless.

Honestly? I am a floating voter and this sort of response makes me far less likely to vote Labour. It’s the sneering implication (and, often, explicitly saying) that not voting Labour means someone is stupid / selfish / evil. It is up to Labour to win over voters - not for voters to have to justify why they don’t vote the “correct” way.

This person has a reason they don’t plan to vote Labour and it is as valid as any other.

He wasn’t to everyone’s taste but one thing I liked about Blair was that he could debate. He was interesting and intelligent. I voted Labour in 1997 because I had the impression that I was voting FOR something. It’s depressing how many people have said that they are going to vote Labour because they think they are just a bit less worse.

I expect that Labour will get in next time but by a far smaller margin than the polls are saying. People will punish the Tories for Johnson and Truss. This is a pity for Sunak, who I like.

5.9% of kids are at private school.
What a load of shite about "aspiring "
ALL kids deserve the best education not just the children of wealthy people. Ffs.

Starmer thought it was OK that Rosie Duffield was bullied right there in the House by a raving madman. He took no action about the appalling behaviour of one of his MPs towards another..
From that incident we can deduce that he doesn't care about the female vote, or that he is confident that women will vote for him regardless of what he does or says. His ludicrous statements about penises and.cervixes should have seen him laughed out of Parliament. They would have just 5 years ago.
But he will probably be in power.after the next election - it won't be long before we know how bad it's going to get for women and children.