Gordon Ramsay new baby

[Weridmouse]

Congratulations . Well done Tana.

She's another Jools Oliver obsessed with having babies.

Sure. I've just miscarried my own, naturally concieved pregnancy. I'm 41. Where I go next will have to be decided, at some point in the coming weeks, in consultation with my doctors. (I was under the care of a fertility clinic when I concieved naturally.) However I'm aware, particularly as I would like more than one child, that donor egg treatment in my late 40s is something that is likely to be in my future. I've had extensive testing and investigations and there is no reason I can't carry a baby. Donor egg treatment has extremely high rates of success. So while I'm currently feeling very down, no reason not to feel positive about the future.

Wouldn't be my choice at all but I'm very happy with my life. Maybe she's not and felt something was missing. Good luck to them.

I would imagine, if you have viable embryos still in the freezer, that what to do about that is always lurking at the back of your mind. And that if, physically, emotionally and financially, you feel up to another child, transferring an embryo might feel like something you want to do. Doesn't necessarily mean that she wasn't happy with her life before.

Your post comes across as a bit snide. By that logic anyone who has ever had a baby - the first, the second or the third is unhappy with their life? I think most people have children to add to their lives not to fill a void.

@HamBone I think GR sued her parents and brother over finances though

Surrogacy surely? Where are the pictures of her pregnant?

@Teentaxidriver

This is horrible.

She’s very petite when pregnant and I think to a certain extent will have tried to keep the pregnancy quiet incase it didn’t go to term.

There seems to be a lot of ignorance about older pregnancy. A lot of people think, for some reason, that carrying a child later in life is a problem, rather than conceiving. Sure, risks go up for some people, but these can be managed. But the uterus doesn't age and if the eggs/embryo are from a younger woman, or from when you yourself were younger, a healthy pregnancy and baby is possible in your 50s and beyond . For some reason lots of people don't seem to grasp this basic biological fact.

And if she did use a surrogate, which there is no reason to think she did, that's her business.

My husband's father died in his 20s when DH was a baby, mine died in his early 40s when I was almost a teenager. There aren't any guarantees.

The maintenance of a pregnancy is a delicate dance between the maternal and fetal physiology. Being in possession of a uterus does not equate to being able to maintain a pregnancy to term as many women know to their cost. Having that fetus/ embryo being gentically related to you helps, as does having done it before.

Saying that ( most?) childless women of 50 are able to carry a donor pregnancy is misleading.

Using donor eggs increases the risk of certain complications (which can be managed) but decreases the risk of miscarriage.

As to whether a woman of 50 is able to carry a pregnancy to term, that is very much dependent on her own physical (and mental) health, but age alone is not a barrier.

@Hellenabe That would certainly sour their relationship!

Everysay is a school day, I have just googled this clinic is claiming 60% sucess rate, given that they are trying to flog thier services that is probably exaggerated, the reality is more likely to be 50%(after 2 cycles) much better than the chances of natural conception, but hardly a sure thing.

Just FYI pregnancy complications aren't usually due to the elements of maternal health within a women's control, lots are immune mediated effects ( such as gestational diabetes, cholestasis, pre-eclampsia and indeed miscarriage) these are higher in first pregnancies and with increased maternal age.

Sorry link :
https://www.londoneggbank.com/using-donor-eggs/success-rates/?

But the thing that really struck me was the fact that at 18 they can apply to learn the identity of their genetic mother. For me (as the mother of children that age) this would be a huge deal. If someone underwent this at 50, this would be happening when the gestational mother was 68. Can you imagine ? As well as dealing with all those stresses of young adult hood, having " parents" who are effectively old enough to be your grandparents also then discovering a woman likely in their 40's who is your biological parent. Honestly sounds like a recipe for everyone ending up unhappy and confused.

I'm looking a 'baby guaranteed or your money back' packages. Sounds mercenary but that's the reality of ttc in your 40s. These exist because the chances of a live baby after 3 attempts are 99%. Success rates where I live are higher than in the UK.

I'm aware of the higher risk of complications, but have access to excellent medical care and am confident that they will be managed well. This has been the view of doctors both in the public and the private systems.

Wow I didn't know such a thing existed
99% seems incredibly high after 3 cycles, are they doing pre- implantation screening ?

What happens if your live baby is born at 26 weeks and has cerebral palsy or is blind ? Do you still get your money back ? What about Autism or other SEN ? Sounds a bit Aldous Huxley to me.

I live in a country where donors are anonymous, but am strongly considering travelling for treatment to a country where my child will be able to find out the identity of the donor when they turn 18. This doesn't bother me at all. They may want to, they may not, they may wish to wait til they are older. It will be their decision, I will support them whatever that may be, and I see no particular reason for any unhappiness or confusion. Maybe there will be, but such emotions could arise in a whole host of circumstances, not just where there has been a donor conception

First time mothers in their 40s are also much more common where I live, so my child will not feel out of place. And I will be a parent, not a "parent."

Ok, I'd advise you to do a bit more research around adolescence and identity, before dismissing something so critical out of hand.

I know the study of heritability got an incredibly ( and rightly deserved) bad name in the mid 1900's, but the importance of genetics can't be denied.

This is a good listen:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/b042q944?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

I'm assuming they are screening. I'll have to ask. Never occurred to me they wouldn't, as it was made clear to me that no embryos conceived with my own eggs would be transferred without screening first.

As for your second, incredibly insulting question, of course not. And I'm not expecting a baby with no disabilities or neurodiversity, just as I wouldn't expect that with my own eggs. I'll love and care for my child unconditionally like any other parent.

Wow breaking news. Women none us know has a baby?

Regarding donor eggs, even enucleated eggs, I’m not in favour of it. Too much complication and potential drama later on.

You might as well just get on and adopt and not put yourself through the physical trauma of pregnancy.

However if the DH really wants to be a biological parent or for some mad reason you can’t do without 9 months as an incubator then these may be the factors swaying the argument.

Still I wouldn’t like it, this halfway house between biological parent and adoptive parent. With a tonne more psychological distress for all involved.

For an adopted child you have saved them from a lesser life and given them love. For a donated egg you have actively participated in them being brought into the world in a confusing atypical scenario for your own benefit.

I don’t think any of that has come to pass with the Ramsays though. They will have had enough experience with the process early to know when to freeze their own eggs.

Intersting experiences of donor concieved adults here;
https://www.cofertility.com/family-learn/q-a-with-donor-conceived-people#:~:text=Some%20people%20who%20were%20donor,not%20interested%20in%20learning%20more.

Totally agree.

What's that got to do with whether a child will be happy and loved?

Your posts have made it clear that you don't know much about donor conception, so why the kneejerk negativity?

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/assisted-reproduction-kids-grow-up-just-fine-but-it-may-be-better-to-tell-them-early-about