Thread 32 Sunak : Sunak v Suella, the final countdown?

[DuncinToffee]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4916659-thread-31-sunak-court-conflicts-and-complications?page=1

I think some of them are still under the delusion there’s a chance to win an election.

Did anyone hear Thought for the Day today? Richard Harries really letting rip.

It's going to be like this for months until the election. All these little bits of meat for GB News viewers.

The thing is that a lot of these nutty ideas are not new. It's just that we lived in a saner time and it was deemed too ridiculous.

Roll on a more serious country. This is upsetting in a way, how small minded we have become and how that is celebrated.

Yes I'm sure they are trying to open up dividing lines. But I think their main point of concern is keeping their own MPs and activists onside and limit influence of the libertarians within the Tory party.
I don't think we can underestimate how fractured the party is post Johnson (who told them what they wanted to hear even if he had no intention of doing it).

But if you want a reduction in inheritance tax, aren’t you probably voting Tory anyway (and probably older so also more likely to vote anyway).

Excellent. The disabled, impoverished and chronically sick get to pay for the inheritance tax cuts. There must be a way of deducting the cost of food from food bank users? If their food is free then they're obviously being paid far too much by our generous benefits system. Grab it back Tories. Public money rightly belongs in private hands. Less tax, more me.

Yes it won't change the vote itself. I think these ideas only appeal to a certain demographic and their views will overlap significantly. I think the Tories are now worried that their core vote will go to Reform. This is not to win, but to keep what vote they have now.

Damian Green on R4

"This is the most unconservative proposal I've ever heard... as dictators would prefer the state to be untramiled by any law.."

He's absolutely right but come on she's been enabled and supported in this attitude by Johnson and others. Perhaps it is a little late to start saying this.

Perhaps it is a little late to start saying this.

Isn't that the truth

They are in the shit. Their right wing cannot see it. The Conservatives are now drifting towards 20 percent in the polls. Grim. Of course the nutcases will say that's because they aren't tough enough. Insane,

I maintain, as I have commented on before that many in this country are conservative, particularly in the Shires. But they also believe they are compassionate. Stop the boats, increased climate change, law breaking have all put them off voting Tory at the moment. Taking money from benefit claimants to fund inheritance tax cuts may well not go down well with them either, particularly at this time even though personally they may expect to benefit at some point in their lives.

@jgw1 - you are right. I had a revealing conversation with a Herts Conservative who is involved with their party who can see clearly that they are losing their "Gauke" vote. There are regrets about his exit was handled too.

This made me laugh.

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Yes he was a loss. As was Grieve etc.

Braverman's article in the Telegraph is far right fascism. People who support this stuff should be shunned. Much worse than Powell.

I don't there has ever been such a difference between the small c conservatives and The Conservative & Unionist Party.

I have had similar conversations. Those kind of conservatives whether party members or not are always likely to vote. Those that are party members would previously been out on the ground campaigning, I suspect the Tories will have a struggle motivating party members in some areas to go out leafleting and door knocking next time around.

Wow! I laughed... And cried a little. It made me nostalgic for the Tories of old. Heseltine, Clarke and Major, we need you like we never ever thought we actually would.

Increasing polling evidence of the effect of this week's events with a poll conducted on Wednesday and Thursday. It is beginning to look like a pattern.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

That was just brilliant! Fantastic editing, loved the bit when it was Gullis and thick! Very clever

Someone on radio 5 has just described Rwanda as the Switzerland of Africa. I don't remember civil war and genocide any time recently in Switzerland, or the huge section of the population living under the poverty line.

I heard an interview with Norman Fowler a few weeks ago and felt quite nostalgic.

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So the game is draft the emergency legislation. Suggest Labour are the problem rather than yet more badly thought out/overtly authoritarian expensive policy which will achieve diddly in reducing small boats crossing the channel. Pretend they don't have a majority in HoCs.
And then call an election claiming Labour backs small boats or something.

And all because a certain faction in the Conservative Party (and associated R/W think tanks) are desperate to get rid of Human Rights Act etc in order to reduce checks and balances.

Small boats as a stalking horse for Singapore on Thames.

Arguing for the executive to have more power with reduced checks from the judiciary seems rather turkeys voting for Christmas when you're about to heavily lose a general election.