Thread 32 Sunak : Sunak v Suella, the final countdown?

[DuncinToffee]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4916659-thread-31-sunak-court-conflicts-and-complications?page=1

They can do one on the Home Counties. People are repulsed by them, including a lot of Conservatives.

I do wonder, based on all this boat stuff, how right right wing it is. They will only appeal to a small demographic this way. I know the thinking is to chip and divide as they did in Australia to get a majority but it doesn't seem to be working at all. In fact people seem to hate it.

Australia is not the UK. All these poll results indicate people want moderate politicians and the Conservatives would be more successful. It is perverse because I don't think many in Parliament believe this stuff. But they are trashing things anyway. It is why they will lose.

This weekend it was very clear what the people wanted. There was a small violent protest about something by those who know "what the people want" and a peaceful march several orders of magnitude larger by those who don't know. The trouble is many of those who are people who know what they want are too shy to come out and say so, (or couldn't afford the exorbitant train fair to London).

Its doubly odd because the return of David Cameron could have been a signal to the Shire conservatives of a return to a more gentle compassionate conservatism, but then yesterday they still went full loon.

@jgw1 - if they had not made such an issue of boats then perhaps they would have more options. It strikes me that they are now stuck with it.

The energy they put behind this policy, which is huge for 20,000 people is mysterious. The intensity of focus. The political dividends seem tiny.

People are not going to vote for this with crumbling public services and a stagnant economy. That's what these pills consistently show and must have been obvious for months.

I suspect that if you are a shire voter who just wants to know you can reliably catch a commuter train, or depend on NHS health care, all this focus on boats and the ECHR isn’t helping matters.

It's about the Tory party, not the country and the 2019 Red Wall voters. Most of the new intake will be looking at their seats and wondering what the swing loss will be.

Yes it's the looniest faction of the Conservatives on this, and the wider party seem to have totally lost sight of the fact you need lots of nice attractive policies to go with your cod racism to make it more palatable.

High on their own supply; that never ends well.

Minus 30? Bloody hell, that’s going to take some turning round. I don’t think tinkering with IHT’s going to cut it.

I agree. I think they are trying to push Stop the Boats to win the next GE in the same way they used Brexit to win the last one.

BBC news

“I have never heard of them trying to change the facts, by law. For as long as black isn’t white, the business of passing acts of parliament to say that it is profoundly discreditable” - former Supreme Court judge Lord Sumption on Rishi Sunak’s Rwanda plan B

Cleverly's reaction

Amol Rajan: Lord Sumption said for Parliament to simply say the facts are different would be constitutionally really quite extraordinary.. is that where you want to be?

James Cleverly: Find me 2 lawyers & I'll give you 3 opinions

AR: What an extraordinary thing to say

Cleverley, again not living up to his name.

Some more from him, 'I don't recognise'......

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1725058782307246393?s=20

Charlie Stayt: Did you describe the Rwanda system as batshit... is that true?

James Cleverly: That was a claim made of me...

Charlie Stayt: Did you say that word?

James Cleverly: I certainly don't remember saying anything like that.

It’s just over a year until parliament is dissolved automatically if no election called, but they want to waste time on this?

The irony is that they have made actual progress on a deal with Albania and speed of processing applications, but why do things that work when you can have a pointless culture war?

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/rishi-sunak-community-noted-three-times-in-past-24-hours-363251/

Forgive me for being dim but could someone who speaks tory bullshit translate for me. Sunak's plan B is to agree a treaty with Rwanda that asylum seekers will not be sent back, thus making it safe. Doesn't that mean Rwanda have to agree to keep them all, regardless of the validity of their claim?

What does 'community noted' mean?

I'm in Sweden. Just had someone ask me about the Rwanda plan shenanigans and if the UK is now twinned with North Korea.

The one good thing that musk has done for Twitter is that a community not can be added below a tweet to correct misinformation or ‘alternative facts’. It can be used badly but people adding a not under Rishi’s foreign court tweet to point out that the Supreme Court is not a foreign court is hilarious.

Can we all note that Rwanda has capacity to consider 200 yes, 200 hundred asylum seekers.

All you naysayers just don't see the difference they could make here. It is totally worth it to override your constitutional precedent, undermine your judiciary and create further division for this. It is.

And we could make Rwanda’s asylum system safe and effective. What’s not to like?

Hull paramedics warn of queues of up to 25 ambulances at Hull Royal Infirmary, says UNITE statement. I heard recently ambulances crews have been issued with self-heating ration packs so they have access to food during long waits with no breaks:

x.com/shaunlintern/status/1725133559151657035?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

But lets spend more millions on 200 asylum seekers being flown to Rwanda.

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1725130994947117283?s=20

NEW: No 10 announces that emergency law for Rwanda flights - due in “coming weeks” - will be primary legislation. This is significant because it means the law will have to get through House of Lords - tricky.

Presumably they'll wheel out all the Tory peers (266) and a proportion of crossbenchers as they did last time they needed a win in the Lords.

Sorry for the digression, I was just interested in Cleaverly’s military connections so had a google and was very tickled by the line up attached

A possibly more relevant contribution is that I listened to Wes Streeting on Shelagh Fogarty and had an unusual moment of optimism connected with politics.

Spot on I'd say @itsgettingweird