Armistice day irrelevance to Pro-Palestine

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'It's not a time for political demos': War heroes demand pro-Palestine protest on Armistice Day is cancelled - as Met chief Mark Rowley comes under pressure to ban marches amid fears they could spark clashes over Remembrance weekend | Daily Mail Online
So, we buy and wear poppies to remember those who died having fought in WW1. Armistice day was the ceasefire between the allies and Germany on the 11th of November at the 11th hour 1918. We can only ‘remember,’ because we were not there and hence the ‘Remembrance day.’ Yes, I do poppies and I wear them, although I wear the white one that is brooch as a pacifist. And yet the call for a ceasefire is not being heard, in a land faraway, close to the birthplace of Jesus Christ, home to the Abrahamic faith people are being slaughtered, a genocide, horror is very much present today. The idea is so hypocritical, beyond belief. To remember the dead, and not see this relevance today just makes me feel sick, especially when this country is utterly responsible for the chaos in Palestine and Israel.

Suella should be cautioned by the police, she is fanning very dangerous flames.

I think she wants there to be trouble.

Right wing extremists (Tommy Robinson and crew - notice he's just been allowed back on X/Twitter) will no doubt be encouraged by her statements.

She shouldn't be in public office, she's not fit.

Remembrance to me is for all those killed in war/conflict, it makes no sense to just say it is for those who were involved in the WWs. It is absolutely relevant today while children and hospitals are being bombed and our 'leaders' condone it. I despise them. They have lost their humanity, as have the Israeli leaders. Ditto Hamas. Shame on the lot of them.

Its ordinary people that suffer most in any war, now or in the past.

Yes I'm more than well aware of that..I've pointed it out several times on various threads when confusion has popped up, including a pp in this one.

I also pointed out there are some lowish key acts of remembrance planned for the Cenotaph on the Saturday, which is possibly one of the reasons why somebody (the met/the Home Office?) were keen for that day's march the avoid Whitehall.

HTH.

Palestinians being free from the river to the sea has nothing to do with Jewish people being “driven out.”

Stop getting your facts from Cruella “send them to Rwanda” Braverman and the Daily “40 beheaded babies” Mail.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2023/10/13/watching-the-watchdogs-babies-and-truth-die-together-in-israel-palestine



Sorry tried to screenshot this for people asking for a link to the lawsuit

x.com/andymcdonaldmp/status/1720123762312413318?s=61&t=RxZkCT_ulRY5RPDXN5Oqiw

Well yes of course, but it’s surprising how many people have totally missed that fact! So determined are they to imagine that thousands of marchers are going to hijack the Remembrance Sunday parades and wreath laying on Sunday at the Cenotaph 🤦‍♀️ Perhaps they need to stop listening to Suella Braverman??

@MrsSkylerWhite sorry, my bad. do you think I will get lynched for pointing out that remembrance Sunday is about WWI and not WW2 and also that WW2 had nothing to do with saving jewish people. if anything the Allies were doing the political equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and singing 'lalalalalala' - except the ones actively selling out Jewish people to the nazis.. and that the daily mail was initially a supporter of the nazi regime....

it would be really great if the protesters brought a tent each... that would really pass her off.

it Is probably up to the people who feels treated with these chants to decide if this is hate or not.

Protests should be Pro peace not pro Palestine or Pro Israel. Also, a protest every Saturday is going to create problems.

Thank you. Appreciated.

Reading Andy McDonald’s press release, though, I’m not sure his case is that the phrase itself doesn’t mean what some say it means, i.e. a call for the eradication of Israel. The release suggests he used similar words in a different way that included reference to “Israelis” (which presumably means Israel continues) living in peace, in other words he didn’t just repeat the slogan in its usual meaning.

Either way he had the Labour whip taken away. So the Labour leadership clearly finds the words objectionable.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/bergen-belsen

OF COURSE IT IS !!!!!!!!!. From the river Jordan to the sea IS Israel.

This is about terrorist groups intimidating UK people! The marches should be stopped by force if necessary.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂you joker you

About taking a tent to the protest. This just gets to show that the left jump at every opportunity to join and create chaos for the government. This should be about peace and ceasefire but of course the violence seen in the protests is anything but calling for peace.

I think his lawsuit just confirms that this phrase is disputed @WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps @bonkersAlice
And also that the Labour leadership are so compromised by their desire for power and previous antisemitism that they are tying themselves in knots over this.

I never really paid much attention to the accusations of the Labour Party / left wingers being anti semitic….until the 7th October 2023

Its truly eye opening and so hard to fathom given all the ‘be kind’ vibes

Literally everyone knows what that chant means, or at the very very least, what it means when said by some Palestine supporters

@therealcookiemonster

do you think I will get lynched for pointing out that remembrance Sunday is about WWI and not WW2

Nope, you'll just get told you're wrong..for example from DCMS, re a previous year's events.

"the National Service of Remembrance will be held at the Cenotaph on Whitehall to commemorate the contribution of British and Commonwealth military and civilian servicemen and women in the two World Wars and later conflicts."

If any day is somehow "about" WW1 it's Armistice day (the 11th), because there's (hopefully) a direct and obvious historical link.

"Literally everyone" can't both know what it means and only know what it means when some people say it.

I don’t think that follows.

Everyone could (in my opinion does) know that the chant calls for the end of Israel. But if used in a different context it might not - like I’m commenting on “from the river to the sea…etc” now, and I fervently support the right of Israel to exist.

So, ‘at the least’, used as a chant and call to action it means “Israel must be destroyed”.

It only means that if people know that

But if they don't - and most people don't - it doesn't mean that

Most people take it at face value / that Palestinians in Palestine should be able to live in peace and freedom

So stop looking for hate there is enough around without trying to alienate people who would naturally want killing on both sides to stop but find they are being forced to takes sides

I entirely agree. There is no more appropriate or poignant time to campaign for peace than remembrance day. What on earth is the point of remembering the war dead if we don’t learn anything from their deaths and continue to perpetuate the same pointless violence? There is no better tribute to those who dies in the wars than to stop others suffering the same fate.

I don't think it does @WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps, Israel has a right to exist but so does Palestine and it means Palestinians should have continued access to the sea without crossing Israeli territory.

www.auphr.org/index.php/news/5218-mapcard

I realised too on October 7th, and since

I think it just embodies the disconnect between the political elite and the rest of us tbh. To Eton's finest, Armistice Day is symbolic, reverential and remote. Their antecedents directed wars, they didn't fight them. For the rest of us war was always about mud, blood and senseless criminal waste of human lives, so it's easier for us to see the connection between remembrance rituals and what's happening in Palestine right now.