Fundraiser for sacked police officers

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Apologies if this has already been done, but who's donating to this? £130k raised now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67236220.amp

@JFT it is written into PACE, but in this case it was already found that the officers lied about having smelt it in the first place, which was what led to their dismissal.

If only her Ladyship's brief had been wider, she would have found that police corruption was far wider than racist, misogynistic and homophobic behaviour. Sadly Baroness Casey does not have a background in the criminal law and much of her report dealt with how the Police treat each other rather than, what is far more important, their interaction with the Public.

I have just retired as a criminal lawyer in a Northern English city. For over thirty years I prosecuted and defended predominantly young, white, working-class men. The police, by and large, treated them appallingly. Beating them up, locking them up on spurious charges and lying about them in court.

The police corruption of Hillsborough which took ordinary people 30 years to expose, wasn't the exception it was very common.

It is impossible for a simple courtroom advocate like me to to know how wide-spread this corruption is in the police. There might be many good police officers, but they tend not to be seen in court. So I feel for the good officers trying to do a decent job. Their corrupt colleagues, however, are the problem.

How strange. Realistically how much are they suffering financially?

So officers who acted corruptly got sacked (with their pension contributions intact as there is no part of the law that can take a person's pension pot).

They will be eligible to claim Universal Credit whilst seeking other jobs. There will be (fellow racist) security companies happy to employ them immediately, as they always pick up ex officers and let's face it nobody - or rather barely any - leaves the force voluntarily so that means everyone they've picked up ex force has been sacked.

I'm glad this lie was exposed and I don't know the details but it's remarkable that it was discovered, exposed, proven, and acted upon really. A very rare case of officers being rightly sacked and let's hope it sends a clear message out.

I saw this on The Daily Fail and read the comments. It’s so demoralising the utter crap we are happy to not only accept but celebrate in this country. I’m disgusted and can imagine just what sort of people think this fundraiser is in any way appropriate.

So many in this country call for people to be sacked for failings and then when people are actually sacked for what seems quite plainly a case of racism and then lying to cover it up and people are donating to a fund for them.

I was actually thinking that the people donating were Nigel Farage supporting, Britain First, All Lives Matter types I didn’t even think that serving police officers would think it was in any way appropriate to donate. They lied to cover their tracks. How is the sacking unfair in any way?

I'm totally baffled too as I just read on an Independent article that one of the victims herself said she didn't think the officers should have been sacked. Unless it was a typo as she then goes on to say how she doesn't feel it's safe to bring up her son as a young black boy in London.

I can only assume - pure speculation here - that the officers were following orders from higher ups to pull the car over and search for drugs and weapons? Maybe they'd been trained or instructed to say that the search was on the grounds of smelling cannabis, no matter what. In which case it wasn't technically their wrongdoing. If they'd been misinformed that this is the car of a dangerous and armed person then who told them that? and were they just 'following orders'?

If so, I can see why everyone in the force would now be shook up and thinking that could be me next.

God, that's horrible.

They were certainly scapegoats. As I said I've read the panels findings . The fundraiser (which I have not paid into ) is due to the feelings of unfairness that their command team have got away Scot free while the boots on the ground pay the price .
Certainly when I was on neighbourhoods there was a spreadsheet on the wall with targets for stop searches . Initiated by our command team . I did none . Because I'm very clear on the criteria and pace 1 powers . I was on the naughty step .

@capabilityfrowns when you say “targets” on the spreadsheet, do you mean it showed known criminals who the police wanted to crack down on, or “targets” as in whole groups/demographics to stop and search?

The latter - not demographics- but each of us was set targets to conduct stop searches and the results published monthly and plastered on a white board in the report writing room .
We weren't told to target any particular group, or ethnicity. But the targets were expected to be hit . I hated it . I never did one . I knew the pace 1 stop search powers by rote and if no power to search I refuse to do it . I stand by that to this day .
I did 12 years on response prior to neighbourhoods and thought I'd be helping more with specific issues in the community. Nope . I was expected to be the elected counsellors bitch. I moved . I lasted about 18 months. I wasn't a yes woman . I'm still in the job but not frontline . Thank god .

There's "targets" in my force too- they're not allowed to call them that though so you're supposed to "aim" for so many a month, same as pp though stats were on white boards and monitored with action plans being handed out but worded cleverly to get around "targets".

This would come from the inspector which I imagine has come from higher up the command.

I'm the same as pp though, I'm not stop searching anyone without a real genuine reason, and to hit a target certainly isn't one.

Don't get me started on needing a search to be ticked off from student officer either, there's powers that can be put in place to stop and search anyone in an area (mainly after a serious crime or a period of disruption) and the tutor team would say just go and search anyone during that time to get ticked off. Absolutely not for me.

I don't know about the met - but demographics are important.

When I worked in a predominantly Asian community it stood to reason the people I dealt with were predominantly Asian . With a few Eastern European people thrown in for good measure .

When I moved to a pit village I dealt with predominantly white males .

But that's not then issue - I'm not a racist . But If a command team are telling you to hit x amount of stop searches a month - some might try . I didn't . But I have the balls to say no . And it's just not worth my job to try .

When i said my ex dh was regularly stopped he was - now I know it was probably contrary to pace .

He is white and 6ft 7 . So if a burglary happens 2 mins away by a suspect described as tall and white - fair enough - search him under pace .
If the suspect was described as 4 10 and a woman - no grounds to search my ex .

It used to be used as a fishing trip - see someone out at 2 am - search them . Thats actually contrary to pace powers . You need a reason to search . And the reason has to be justified . So if he has fit the description of a suspect who committed a crime 2 mins before - fine - if not - no grounds .

The injustice is why the fundraiser has done well .

Command teams tell you to hit these targets - then when it goes tits up - under the bus you go .

Me - I just won't do it . Doesn't make you popular though .

Good for you scrumchie2

Stay that way . There's too many idiots in the police these days .

I'm only surprised it's only 130k, should reach 500k I reckon. You'd be surprised the amount of people who fundamentally hate to their very core that Black people and POC are 'allowed' to somehow live as equals.

Doja

I'm sincerely hoping and believe that's not why people are donating.

Mildly surprised that no one remembers how donations to the RNLI exploded when fuckface Farage and his fanbois tried to turn us against them for saving human souls at sea.

This is pretty much the same, only in reverse.

When the Police stop you with blue lights and you drive off at speed, what should they do ?

When the Police stop you, and you shout at them, scream abuse and physically resist, what should they do ?

When drug dealers fill babies nappies with drugs to sell to your kids, what should the Police do ?

When criminals keep knives and guns in baby seats, what should the Police do ?

Knife crime, drug dealing and gang murder is rampant in the City. What should the Police do about it ?

The Police Force is desperate to recruit more Cops. Maybe some of the very critical people on here should join and show us how to do it.

Perhaps those who work in the police and have donated money to these men feel as though they’ve been scapegoated. I always suspect there’s a lot more going on behind the scenes in these stories. They E probably been thrown out as an act of tokenism whilst following a superiors instructions.

Of all the causes people could donate their money to and they choose to give it to two dodgy coppers.
Not surprised that the money is from other police others…

Wise move these days… don’t you think?
My white privileged ‘middle class’ self would have done exactly the same thing

They could start off by not lying about things and see how it goes from there. Idk. Call me
old fashioned.

You know something ?

If this was a fundraiser for sacked nurses, raised from other nurses, then somebody in government (my bet would be that cunt Lee Anderson) would use it as proof that they are paid too much.

Try watching on bbc i player "the detectives : taking down an OCG .

Watch how they are grooming 12 year olds to sell class A s

Based in Rochdale . If people don't want stop searches , fair enough . But look at the 18 arrested and the assets seized Including cars worth 120k

Kids were being used . Little kids .

I d be happier if the athlete had been charged with dangerous driving. They were guilty of that after all.
That will.be why the police are so ticked off - the sacked officers were right to pursue that car,.absolutely right.
Last month officers from the armed police unit resigned when a fellow officer ran into hot water for shooting a suspect. I think the force must feel that they get no backing from above. Theirs is a difficult job and they get little appreciation for facing the dangers they do.