Fundraiser for sacked police officers

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Apologies if this has already been done, but who's donating to this? £130k raised now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67236220.amp

Just because the police have substantial numbers of deceitful discriminatory officers doesn’t mean its ok and these two pathetic police officers let off the hook. The general public have known this sort of shit has gone on for years and so it’s about time it was highlighted and made an example of. Famous victim or non famous victim. I hope the firing of these officers sends a clear message to forces a cross the country. Sadly the amount of police support for corrupt officers is very telling.

No. I’m arguing the opposite. That the fact that lots of police officers think that it is unfair that these two were sacked means that there are lots of other police officers who are doing the same thing and so also need to be sacked. The original case showed two racist, lying officers. The fundraiser has shown thousands more.

Someone posted a video at 15.06 you can clearly see the bad driving if you watch that. Cutting off the corner, speeding and cutting up a bus by driving across it.

I keep hearing the bad driving argument, but I've never known bad driving be a reason to be unlawfully handcuffed and have your car searched.......Or is it only justifiable for those that meet the criteria?

Probably didn’t help that the first thing they did when finally stopped was lock the doors of the car and get the phones out and start filming 🤷🏻‍♂️

I find the fundraiser reasonable.

@whatdoidonowffs just as well they did then, isn’t it?

Furthermore, they “smelled cannabis” through locked doors? (This is very much rhetorical - the lies have already been confirmed and dealt with).

What exactly are you trying to “prove”?

Not trying to prove anything
just suggesting that wether you’re black, white or purple failing to stop when asked, giving the police the run around, locking the doors when finally stopped and giving them much abuse when you do open the doors is not going to end well

Do you think every racist who gets sacked should get a fundraiser?

video shows the car cutting a corner, so what? A million people do this daily and the Police do nothing. They turned left, when the Police blocked the junction, it may well be the case that they didn't realise that it was them being stopped.

They stopped soon afterwards, when they realised that they were being pulled.

The officers were immediately rough, pushing dos Santos in the chest, when he had his arms up and Bianca Williams was pulled out and cuffed as soon as she started to get out.

They stopped, but the Police decided to escalate things immediately and In the aftermath, to lie about seeing an extended period of bad driving and smelling marijuana. That was simply an excuse.

The board watched the entire footage and questioned the officers involved, absolving most, but finding that the two main protagonists had acted inappropriately. It's extremely rare for Police officers to get more than a telling off; in this case, the board found their behaviour to constitute gross misconduct.

Supporters should think about that.

I have read the complete findings of the disciplinary panel . There are huge huge inconsistencies in the findings . It suggests they were scapegoats for the wider good .

For instance a 4 officers were involved , the panel decided two could smell cannabis, but the two sacked couldn't. Either they all did, or they didn't . There are glaring inconsistencies in the panels findings .

I would read the findings before making judgment.

Scapegoating isn't unusual in the police .

Do you have a link?

I can post it all but it's very long - if you want it

Some legal training would be useful to interpret it .

Just the link please, a copy and paste would get us both in trouble if it's that long 😂

I can't link it - I can post the full findings but it's a long boring read .

There are however massive holes in the findings .

It does look like the met made an example of the two officers without any real evidence to appease the public.

If there is corruption and lying , they deserve to be sacked but I fail to see how the panel could conclude 2 may have smelt cannabis and 2 didn't .

Stop search criteria is a minefield , so many officers just don't do it . Cuffing to search is legal - the subject isn't under arrest but is detained for the purpose of a search - given the current climate of public carrying knives etc it's pretty standard to cuff now for the purposes of a search .

The met has such a bad reputation I believe this was an attempt by senior management to appease the wider public and scapegoat the officers involved for the reputation of the met and to improve public perception. That's why the fundraiser has taken off .

If you want the findings i would need to redact some information on 20+ pages .

The issue is the public want more done about drug, knife crime and gangs

To do this , you have to stop search .

The minute you are hampered from doing so you can't tackle these issues .

It's not about profiling. Ultimately this will fail the public more because officers won't be will to put their necks on the line to conduct stop searches .

So gang violence, knife crime and drug crime will go unhindered .

The other thing is senior management impose targets for stop
Searches . So they insist on so many per officer per month - but you can't just dredge up criteria to stop
Search from no where . There is a very specific criteria for conducting a stop search . So they basically officers are under pressure to conduct these searches , and then they sack them when they get a complaint . It's wrong . It's not so much the officers at fault but their senior command teams . Yet they never have to answer to these questions and get away with it . There is much discord from rank and file officers due to this .

He'd been stopped 9 times in 4 weeks. Wasn't this his 20th search?

Everyone knows you're more likely to be stopped if black. Disgusting.

*capabilityfrowns · Today 23:28

To do this , you have to stop search . The minute you are hampered from doing so you can't tackle these issues .

This has to be done within the framework of legal guidelines. These Police have been judged to have made the stop outwith those guidelines.

Dos Santos had been stopped five times in the four weeks running up to the stop in question. I've been stopped, I think, four times and I've been riding motorbikes and driving since 1994.

I can't defend that . Simply can't . But this one event , the officers were scapegoated and I can't say two wrongs make a right .

@capabilityfrowns do you think other officers should also have been sacked for this incident? Regarding some claiming to smell marijuana when others didn't who is then lying, if anyone?

The panel found that of the 4 officers involved , 2 could have smelt cannabis and 2 couldn't have

Given I wasn't there , I dont know but I fail to see how 4 officers on the same incident could not have had the same experience.

It appears from reading the findings that the senior command team needed someone to be held accountable and it sure as hell wasn't going to be them.

The met have a serious PR issue right now . They appear to think this appeases the public .

It won't . It runs deeper than this.

Cannabis is fairly easy to smell if you know it . Hell I walked past two kids in Asda the other day and knew they had it on them .

But the findings have more holes than Swiss cheese. The reason the fundraiser has done so well is because this affects every single police officer in the uk . Do a stop search and get a complaint and you'll get thrown under the bus is what I'm seeing .
Policing is just a job . If doing part of that job means you can lose your livelihood, then serving officers aren't going to do it , which means when everyone is complaining about gang , drug and knife crime , who is going to risk a stop search if there is any chance of getting a complaint and losing your job ?

It's the same with firearms . On 7/11 , the London Bridge attacks and the attack at the peace hall , no one one complained at the perpetrators being shot dead , it it's a risky position to hold for no more money if it goes wrong . If someone is driving at you , or shoots at you , you've a millisecond to decide what to do . Fear kicks in . I've been shot at . It's not something you can explain to anyone.

I think the met has serious serious issues . And they need addressing. so does the infrastructure of that entire force . There is serious violence happening on the streets of the capital , and something needs to be done to tackle it . So a command team that aren't so far removed from the days they worked those streets would help and support for their officers to do so , while weeding out the dinosaurs that may think being black and driving a nice car is reason to stop . Sad fact is that you can't initially tell if someone is rich and famous or rich and a drug dealer . Officers will just stop doing searches . They'll stop volunteering for firearms positions. It's too risky .